RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- North Carolina State hasn't had much to be encouraged about lately, but at least the Wolfpack has been in this spot before.
Coach Tom O'Brien found at least one positive on Monday, saying that "we have been pretty good in November."
N.C. State is 6-2 in November in two seasons under O'Brien, but is the only winless team in Atlantic Coast Conference play. One reason for that has been a leaky defense that has allowed 146 points in its last three games, losses to Duke, Boston College and Florida State.
Last week in Tallahassee, Fla., N.C. State allowed 7.6 yards per play and fell 45-42. A week earlier, Boston College gained 7.1 yards a snap in a 52-20 victory.
Safety Clem Johnson calls it embarrassing "because we're better than that."