State House Leader Talks About Welfare Drug Testing

The leader of the North Carolina House speaker is taking criticism for suggesting state government should perform random drug testing on people who receive public assistance and possibly on state employees.

House Speaker Thom Tillis said last Friday at a meeting of Madison County Republicans he would like to push the requirement if the Republicans remain in power after the 2012 elections. He also agreed with a town hall participant's statement that such testing be expanded to state employees. The recorded comments were uploaded to YouTube.

Jennifer Rudinger with the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said Tuesday such requirements are unconstitutional and ineffective. The state Court of Appeals has ruled that the random drug testing of Graham County school employees is unlawful.

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  • by fair on Oct 18, 2011 at 03:06 PM
    dag, its about time. now maybe our taxes will go down, and there will be alot less people sitting on the porch waiting for their check to come smoking weed and drinking fourties.
  • by john Location: farmville on Oct 18, 2011 at 01:44 PM
    here they come,PAY ME NOW !!!!
  • by Stephanie Location: ENC on Oct 18, 2011 at 12:52 PM
    Did anybody read the story? It isn't just about welfare testing. Old boy is talking about testing state emplyees as well. Are all you pot heads and coke addicts who work at DPI ready for that???
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      by Obama Snake Oil co on Oct 18, 2011 at 03:37 PM in reply to Stephanie
      Actually, I think its a great idea. If I want federal contracts, I have to be tested randomly. Most commercial companies already do. It one way to stop drug use and teachers are no exception. We have plenty of clean teachers looking for jobs out there...survival of the fittest...
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        by uh on Oct 19, 2011 at 09:39 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil co
        So we're testing for drugs because they're illegal? I think all state and fed employees should be tax audited too then, because that's illegal. And parking tickets, and check their mattresses to see if the tags are still on them. Sounds like big government to me. Why is it that enlarging government is always ok when it's the moral control patrol?
  • by Welfare on Oct 18, 2011 at 09:26 AM
    If you need welfare assistance then you should have no problem taking a drug test because you should not be able to afford the drugs to begin with. Everyone who receives financial government assistance of any kind she be required to take random drug tests.
  • by Obama Snake Oil Co Location: Washington on Oct 17, 2011 at 10:06 AM
    So in Florida, where the ACLU is challenging this by saying is unconstitutional. Pretty sure a volunteer social program is not part of the constitution. No one forces it on anyone. So 3% is what they "say" in Fla didn't pass out of the 2000 tested so far. Well, its 1.3 million dollars less, it will cost them. My perspective, its a privilege, not a right.
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      by uh on Oct 17, 2011 at 12:57 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
      Force isn't part of government programming, but discrimination based on disability is. How would you handle someone in a harm reduction drug sessation program who is on public assistance? Cut them off? In Pitt County alone, at least $50,000 of stolen property per month goes toward drug abuse. This is a public health problem, not a volunteer social program.
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        by Obama Snake Oil Co on Oct 17, 2011 at 01:54 PM in reply to uh
        How is this discrimination? So you saying my employer is doing that he is discriminating? Its part of the condition to work there. Welfare is applied for, not given by really have no clue about drug use in the projects and the problems associated with it?
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          by uh on Oct 18, 2011 at 08:05 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
          The issue is that workplace drug testing is justified through the idea that an individual is impaired in completing the essential functions of a job, not for moral reasons. Drug addiction is a disability, so infringing on a person's equal access to a government service based on a disability is discrimination. But more importantly, cutting off legitimate options for subsistence means you are making the opportunity cost of illegal actions more appealing to drug users. In essence, by cutting off government assistance you are limiting the options of a person to get help and enforcement to a transition from drug addiction and crime to responsible living. With regard to a volunteer social program not being part of the constitution, if the government is offering a program, regardless of voluntary or mandatory, discrimination is prohibited through provisions found in the Rehabilitation Act as well as the Americans with Disabilities Act. I will give you this, though: the precedent, and I think, the argument contrary, will be the exception posed by social security, another federal program, which will not cover you if your presenting primary disability is drug and/or alcohol related impairment. If I were arguing against the ACLU I would use that as the precedent.
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        by Obama Snake Oil Co on Oct 18, 2011 at 09:38 AM in reply to uh
        When did illegal drug use become impaired to work? Ok, let take it further, shall we. We test you, you test positive, we report it to your boss and the the police. How does that sound, fair? Its illegal and is the the cause of many problems in the project anywhere in the US. It dangerous to children and caused abuse with children and the drug user parent. Its not ice cream and lollipops. Argue all you want, if you want to get into a free program that I will help pay for you home, food and children, you should be drug tested to get into it and random after. If you continue to use drugs, don't apply to the system as you know what the requirements are.
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          by uh on Oct 19, 2011 at 09:41 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
          So then you are for big government, as long as it's testing everyone (not just people with probable cause) for illegal actions, am I correct?
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      by fair on Oct 18, 2011 at 03:08 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
      whats unfair is me busting my tail everyday, while they do NOTHING and get a check.
  • by ronald Location: Beaufort N.C. on Oct 17, 2011 at 04:17 AM
    The state should drug test everyone receving welfare or unemployment at random. A wise employer will drug test new applicants for jobs; they will not pass and will remain a drag on society.
  • by 250 Location: JAX on Oct 16, 2011 at 05:38 PM
    All for this and proud of this guy. Talk about examples of "spine". Look if you have kids and you use EBT to get groceries and maybe even get utility help because of employment status. NO BIGGIE. I have been there and I hated it. What a majority here and I concur is if you auto- rate this from being unemployed and "public funding" derived from taxes goes to those kitties set up as "safety nets" YOU best not have THC or Heroin in you bodies.
  • by Anonymous on Oct 14, 2011 at 11:04 AM
    god bless him! it is about time we had some controls in place. it is my tax money that is paying for someone to not work! thank you! we need laws to protect the taxpayers. i get random tested to WORK! they should not be able to sit around drinking beer and doing drugs while we pay for the food. It is well past time!
  • by Ashleesboss on Oct 13, 2011 at 12:21 PM
    Wow this made my day! Personally I feel I wouldn't want a druggie working for me, so why would I pay someone to do drugs and I'm not getting anything in return? You want my tax money, then do SOMETHING to earn it
  • by sure Location: enc on Oct 12, 2011 at 09:40 PM
    Sure! We can do like Fla. did. Everyone who fails the test paid for the test-those who pass were reembursed. Problem was-98% passed! Now, it has cost Fla. more that it save them. Maybe we should learn by OPM-Other People Mistakes!

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