NC Appeals Pre-K Ruling Mandating Access To School

The state Attorney General's Office has filed an appeal of a court ruling that the state must provide pre-kindergarten education to all at-risk 4-year-olds.

The appeal was filed Wednesday at the behest of Republican legislators, who say the ruling could bust the budget.

The appeal is the latest move in a battle over the state's constitutional obligation to give every child a sound, basic education.

Superior Court Judge Howard Manning Jr. ruled last month that the state's established responsibility to prepare 4-year-olds for kindergarten meant the state budget couldn't limit the number of spots for at-risk youngsters or require a co-payment from parents of up to 10 percent of their income to participate.

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  • by EC teacher on Aug 18, 2011 at 03:04 PM
    Children have IEPs because of a delay or other disability, not because of lack of exposure or poor parenting. If a child has a delay in brain development or any other area, it's not the teacher's fault, nor the previous teacher's fault. Ideally, children who get EC services will someday no longer need them, but please stop putting the blame on teachers. We spend countless hours working to HELP your children improve. If the child doesn't improve, that just shows you how serious their delays really are.
  • by Col. Colt Location: ENC on Aug 18, 2011 at 08:10 AM
    I have a better Idea, Take them at birth and raise them a govt. school, make a good little comrade.
  • by discrimination Location: greenville nc on Aug 18, 2011 at 04:35 AM
    I think its discrimination based on income and a level of smartness. Its bs that a parent like me works hard everyday to pay daycare full price 620 dollars a month and my child is very smart due to me paying for this high end daycare that the ones sitting on the butts not paying for daycare all these years get another free oppurtunity. What about the working people it doesnt even pay to work anymore Its sad the less u do the more u get thats whats wrong with the world today. If my child is to smart let her go straight to kindergarden. Im so sick of paying full price when other get assistance and get the same education.
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      by Sadly on Aug 18, 2011 at 11:27 AM in reply to discrimination
      You got that right, you're almost better off to make just enough to get on govt programs. My wife and I work and pay daycare and all our bill with no assistance, yet all these "low income" people are working the system over. Living better than we are, it's a shame that the working people are truly the ones that lose in our society.
  • by Sadly True on Aug 17, 2011 at 09:57 PM
    Can't take that free daycare away from Hispanic kids can we? At risk must mean English as a second language.
  • by someone on Aug 17, 2011 at 08:26 PM
    The only thing that I am would love to see is if they are not going to let these 4 year olds go to school, at least give their moms and dads a heads up on what they will need for Kindergarten. I understand there are only so many spots but really the 4 year olds need to have a basic understand of abc's and 123's before they enter Kindergarten.
  • by tug Location: new bern on Aug 17, 2011 at 08:22 PM
    I know a teacher that teaches this class and I know she works hard at it, and spends her own money to do it. And they have plenty of stupid rules imposed on them by higherups. (I couldn't donate some Disney kid's books to her because they were Disney!!) So I won't bash the teachers themselves. I do have issues with this program and have mixed feelings about it. The biggest problem I have is why do only at risk kids qualify? If the state is going to do it, it should be available to all kids. My son went to it as an IEP kid with his Autism. Whereas it didn't hurt, I'm really not sure if it helped him, as he still had to repeat Kindergarten (at our insistence). I know plenty of kids could benefit from it but I also feel a lot of parents are using it as free daycare.
  • by Time to reexamine on Aug 17, 2011 at 08:09 PM
    I am sorry but I agree with Lisa. I teach first grade and you cannot tell who was in Pre-K and who was not most of the time. The students who are in need of an IEP were also in Pre-K, and the program has not helped much because of a present learning disability that has not been addressed. Many time a learning disability is hard to see till a child is older. I think part of the problem in the limitations put on how many hours in the day can be spent on education versus playtime. Pre-K is not very different from the education received in a daycare situation.
  • by Me on Aug 17, 2011 at 07:11 PM
    The way the education system is pushing children so hard, these children need the earliest start possible. I work w/ PreK children and see first hand how qiuckly they can learn if given the chance. Granted it may take some longer than others, but each child learns at their own pace. There needs to be other funds cut instead of education. Remember, these are the children that will be taking care of you one day. Lisa, if you are a teacher, it looks like to me that you didn't get a solid foundation because you apparently can't spell. If you are tired of the IEP's, maybe you need to find a new profession. It's part of the job honey!
  • by Anonymous on Aug 17, 2011 at 06:29 PM
    Teach your kids at home some of the basic skills! How many parents work and still manage to prepare their kids for kindergarten? Its not hard to teach abc's and to count..I taught my child who I cant get to sit still for 2 minutes her abcs count to ten and write.
  • by lisa on Aug 17, 2011 at 06:19 PM
    Why? The state is tired of wasting money. This kids come into formal school and still don't know any basic skills. Kill the program or hired qualified teachers that know how to teach PHONICS!. I know why Johnny can't read, he didn't get a solid foundation in pre-k - grade 2. I teach @ the middle school level and I am tired of all of these PEP's and IEP's that could be avoided, if the students received basic educational needs in the early years of education. I am not blaming the program, only how it is carried out. It is evident that the kids are not being properly taught. In a class of 25, there might be 1 or 2 that need assistance, not 23 out of the 25!
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      by Interesting on Aug 17, 2011 at 06:41 PM in reply to lisa
      Sounds resonable. I really think having kids should require a license, and animals e.g dogs, etc. too for that matter. Just seems like having a kid should be something you earn e.g. salary,. Imagine, caring, nuturing, and PAYING for youre kid and or kids!!! How many kids would be in more @ 4??!!!
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      by proud pre-k teacher on Aug 17, 2011 at 07:13 PM in reply to lisa
      Lisa, If you knew anything about the program, you would know that the teachers are just as highly qualified as you. We all have Bachelor degrees, if not Master's. Many of us have National Board certifications, as well. What people don't consider, is that we are working with the MOST challenging population in the state. Our program only excepts at-risk children who are already delayed. So, while only a few of your students may have IEPs or delays, ALL of our have delays or serious risk-factors. They come to us like that and it is not a result of our teaching. Our pre and post test show just how much those students grow each year. Stop blaming other teachers and stop complaining. Teachers who don't respect and support other teachers are just joining all the other teacher-basher out their. Support your profession!
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      by Really?!? on Aug 17, 2011 at 09:03 PM in reply to lisa
      So that's really the way you feel. You make me so angry saying you are tired of all the PEP's and IEP's that could be avoided if the students received basic educational needs. Well, I pray my child was not one of your students. She has in is a couple of IEP classes but not due to lack of getting educational needs while she was younger. You should be ashamed of yourself! What a disgrace!
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