Late-night Veto Override Maneuver Risky For NC GOP

Republicans in the North Carolina Legislature showed they're not afraid to play political hardball with Gov. Beverly Perdue and her fellow Democrats when they pushed through a late-night veto override of a bill affecting the state's leading teacher lobby.

Now, GOP leaders will learn whether the election-year move is worth the anger from the opposing party and laments from good-government advocates, with both groups accusing them of secret maneuvering.

The House voted after 1 a.m. Thursday to cancel Perdue's veto of a bill making it more difficult for the North Carolina Association of Educators to collect member dues by ending the practice of removing them from teacher paychecks. Perdue and the group are political allies.

The decision plays into the hands of Democrats who call the GOP extreme on education.


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  • by Can't make this up on Jan 9, 2012 at 10:07 AM
    Here's a little tid bit of info for you democratic voters. In Obama's home state of Illinois, as of January 1, 2012, you need to provide a government issued photo ID to buy drain cleaner. Now who do you think will be effected by this the most, the poor or the wealthy who can afford to call a plumber when they have a stopped up drain or toilet? You people scream when the republicans want to make laws that will do nothing but strengthen our voting system, yet we hear nothing from the liberal media when a stupid law like this is passed. You just can't make this stuff up, democrats in their glory, government issued photo id to buy drain cleaner, LOL!!!!
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      by Barlow on Jan 9, 2012 at 11:45 AM in reply to Can't make this up
      Drain cleaner is a common ingredient found in meth labs used for manufacture. You'll find similar laws related to the purchase of fertilizer as it can be used to create bombs. Tracking sales helps law enforcement.
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        by Back on Jan 9, 2012 at 12:32 PM in reply to Barlow
        And requiring photo id helps to prevent voter fraud.
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        by LOL on Jan 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM in reply to Barlow
        Do the research Barlow, the reason is because men threw some kind of drain cleaner on their girlfriends/spouses and lit them on fire, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with drugs, LOL, but thanks for the laugh, I love it when you prove yourself to be such a moron and it happens daily!! Will it be all kitchen knives next because someone uses them as a weapon or maybe baseball bats, can't wait to see the next stupid act from the demodummies and it is sure to be today or tommorow, their track record is great for the idiocy!!
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      by W hat ? on Jan 9, 2012 at 05:23 PM in reply to Can't make this up
      CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy INDUSTRIAL DRAIN CLEANERS and other CAUSTIC SUBSTANCES to provide photo identification and sign a log. The law DOES NOT APPLY TO MOST DRAIN CLEANERS that consumers typically buy at GROCERY STORES, but only to high-grade industrial cleaners that are normally only sold at hardware stores. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/05/new-law-requires-photo-id-to-buy-drain-cleaner/
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        by @ what? on Jan 9, 2012 at 08:00 PM in reply to W hat ?
        So, what is your point? Don't know about you but when I have a stopped up line I ALWAYS go to the hardware store and buy the best possible drain cleaner. If you buy it anywhere else you spend the same amount because it doesn't work the first time, ask any plumber. Makes me wonder if you aren't one of those that can afford to pay a plumber every time you need to use a plunger.
  • by Anonymous Location: New Bern on Jan 9, 2012 at 09:37 AM
    This is the same thing that the Dems did to pass he lottery several years back. Further proof that pretty much all elected officials at that level are unethical and they do not abide by the golden rule. Regardless of which party does this and what they are voting for, this is unethical and underhanded.
  • by Skeeter Location: Raleigh NC on Jan 9, 2012 at 09:02 AM
    I may be wrong, but wasn't this how the lottery was passed by the Democrats? Yes, they waited until 2 republican left the building to do it! AND THE THEN LT GOV CAST THE DECIDING VOTE (YES, THE CURRENT GOVERNOR).
  • by Abdullah Location: Baghdad on Jan 9, 2012 at 08:58 AM
    Why waste time educating young people? From my experience, no one under 30 wants to work anyway.
  • by Allen Location: Greenville on Jan 9, 2012 at 06:39 AM
    I have no issue with the tactic. I do have an issue with the bill. One poster was correct in saying that NCAE lobbies for teacher salaries. Is anyone on here ignorant enough to think that teachers are over paid? The democrats in our state government have plenty of wasteful spending practices, but over paying teachers is not one of them.
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      by Formerly Pirateman on Jan 9, 2012 at 07:22 AM in reply to Allen
      So Allen, we either agree with you that ALL teachers are underpaid or we are ignorant? Listen to yourself. I believe people can believe teachers are overpaid and not be ignorant. Nazis liked your "intellectual" bullying tactcs. However, I believe some are underpaid and some are overpaid. Yet, they all fight Merit Pay. That tells me all I need to know. If all teachers are going to oppose merit pay, then they are all overpaid. Next, when are we going to get results and jump up past 48th or 49th nationwide in education? Do you factor in performance in deciding if they pay is right? Every job I know has pay based on performance, but NOT teaching. Hmmmm! OR are you saying, if we pay teachers more, then they will agree to start doing a better job? Sounds like it!
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        by Anonymous on Jan 9, 2012 at 08:17 AM in reply to Formerly Pirateman
        A surgeon butchered my daughter. She was in the hospital for 3 months and a comma for two weeks. The hospital is demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars for his "performance". And I am not even going to start talking about the pay of CEOs who run their companies into the ground. Live in the real world.
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          by Formerly Pirateman on Jan 9, 2012 at 08:32 AM in reply to
          Huh? What the heck? I'm sorry about your daughter in your barely coherent ranting, but what does it have to do with the price of tea in China? Or if you were making sense is your argument that performance is irrelevant? Come down to earth where the real people with real jobs who must satisfy standard belong, then go find a lawyer to sue the doctor if it's that bad! Are you arguing all doctors should be paid the same no matter performance? Cheez!!
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        by Barlow on Jan 9, 2012 at 09:12 AM in reply to Formerly Pirateman
        I've been in business for more years than I care to share. Unfortunately, pay is based on either personality, politics(office) and/or performance. It is too often the case that more weight is given to the first two. Anybody that has spent anytime in the workplace, I am sure, will have many examples where people were promoted, or rewarded, when the "evaluation" had nothing to do with performance. My point being that ideally performance, as in your view, should be most important. It simply isn't and never will be in more instances than not. This is where the say comes from; "Its not what you know, its who you know".
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        by Allen on Jan 9, 2012 at 11:39 AM in reply to Formerly Pirateman
        @ Formerly Pirateman, I work in the business world and I can certainly see your point about performance pay. Unfortunately, teachers can't be with children 24 hours a day, and when you have parents at home that use the TV as a baby sitter, even the best teachers are having a hard time getting through to students. My wife teaches at the primary level here in Greenville. She tells me stories about 5 year old who say they wanna draw a check when they grow up. You simply can't pay them based on performance when the parents of the children they are teaching are undermining what they teach.
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          by Anonymous on Jan 9, 2012 at 03:08 PM in reply to Allen
          Your right! It must be wonderful to be a teacher; they are all perfect. They have the greatest excuses. None do any wrong! Why are they the only "profession" that by the sake of your job it is incapable to do wrong.
  • by Anonymous on Jan 9, 2012 at 05:01 AM
    The NCAE has nothing to do with education. The NCAE is nothing more than a lobbying group for teacher saleries. They charge teachers about 300 dollars a year and then party most of it away or give it to Gov. Perdue thats why she is mad.
  • by ace Location: j ville on Jan 9, 2012 at 04:31 AM
    What has eliminating CHECK-OFF for dues got to do with education. This country would be better off if each person received their pay check in cash and then had to pay taxes out of the cash. That way they would see just how much money the government is taking and things WOULD change. Remember the old saying "If you don't see it, you don't miss it"!
  • by Barlow Location: Winterville on Jan 9, 2012 at 03:36 AM
    This middle of the night sleezy manuevering by the Greedy Old People is just not limited to NC. Wisconsin Repugs pulled the same sort of stunts to try to eliminate unions in Wisconsin. Now, the governor and some of the state GOP congressmen are facing recall elections. Two GOP legislators have already been voted out in WI with more to come. The Repugs need to put a check on their arrogance. If they are right about their views, and the people agree, there is no need to sneak around in the middle of the night. The GOP, classy as ever.
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      by obamanot on Jan 9, 2012 at 04:57 AM in reply to Barlow
      Oh please bralow,like them demoncraps have never done things like this the hundred years they had control.Heck pelosi used to do it all the time and you know it.
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      by LOL on Jan 9, 2012 at 05:05 AM in reply to Barlow
      You forgot to mention that the GOP took this tactic straight out of the democrats playbook there Barlow. It was Obama who did it first with his scam of a health care bill and the list goes on and on with democratic politicians on the federal, state and local levels all over the country. Blame your democrats for the dirty politics, they started this procedure, the republicans are just responding in kind.
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      by Obama Snake Oil Co on Jan 9, 2012 at 05:08 AM in reply to Barlow
      And we are so glad they did this! Its exactly what we wanted, a government with the guts to stand up for what is right. Unlike the libterdial dems that ran this state into near bankruptcy, the Republicans showed a surplus. I say that is doing a great job!
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      by Back on Jan 9, 2012 at 06:08 AM in reply to Barlow
      The repubs arrogance? LOL Your president/messiah wrote the book on arrogance.
  • by Old News on Jan 9, 2012 at 03:36 AM
    Old news WITN, you ran this story last week with a little less liberal headlines. Media trying to make the GOP look bad is all this article is. Teachers can write a check if they choose to be members, this actually will save time and money for the administrators at the school, it does nothing to hurt the teachers or the lobbyists if they can just sit down for about thirty seconds and write the check themselves.
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      by Back on Jan 9, 2012 at 06:06 AM in reply to Old News
      You're right. Nothing but a liberal media trying to make the repubs look bad in the eyes of the easily swayed.
  • by Anonymous on Jan 9, 2012 at 03:00 AM
    From a Public Relations standpoint it was very stupid to take the vote in the middle of the night whether you agree with the outcome of the vote or even if you don't agree with the vote.
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