Debt Panel's Demise Sets Up Partisan Wrangling

The failure of a special deficit-reduction supercommittee sets up a year-end battle between President Barack Obama and a dysfunctional Congress over renewing a payroll tax cut and jobless benefits for millions.

The failure of the debt panel also means deep, automatic cuts to the Pentagon budget, beginning in 2013, that defense hawks already are vowing to unwind.

Stock prices plummeted Monday as the panel ended its brief, secretive existence without an agreement on how to cut $1.2 trillion or more from the deficit over 10 years. The supercommittee's failure was not unexpected and grew out of intractable divisions over spending and taxes that promise to hound lawmakers through 2012 elections that could sort it all out.

Republicans and Democrats alike pointed fingers, maneuvering for political advantage.


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  • by Anonymous on Nov 24, 2011 at 02:59 PM
    See Claire, I knew there were people who can't help but get nasty, call names, and be stupid. Too bad we can't have a civil discourse with people anymore.
  • by Claire Location: ECU on Nov 23, 2011 at 12:17 PM
    I'm new to politics so this may sound naive, but why are the opposing sides so uncivil to each other here? All the name-calling and insults do nothing to support your point of view. Those expressing Conservative opinions seem especially nasty. My parents are Conservative and Christian, they would never be disrespectful toward someone just because the have a different point of view.
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      by REM on Nov 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM in reply to Claire
      Unfortunately, being conservative or Christian doesn't automatically make you polite and civil these days. I will say however, that it is very rare to find someone that is on the extreme sides of the isle that is open to civil discussion, and also open to new ideas.
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        by Chris on Nov 23, 2011 at 02:23 PM in reply to REM
        Well said.
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      by Chris on Nov 23, 2011 at 01:24 PM in reply to Claire
      To Claire, I don't have an answer to your question but it certainly would be nice if we could have these discussions without all the nastiness. Good post!
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      by Obama Snake Oil Co on Nov 23, 2011 at 02:03 PM in reply to Claire
      I will keep it simple ladies, the kitchen can get hot and this kitchen has no AC. I am that nasty conservative, a registered democrat ashamed that my party is failing America once again. If you were in tune to the other thousands of emails, its because no one likes to be lied to or used like a rest stop toilet seat. You will note a couple or consistant remarks, Fox lies, Blaze lies and all the other networks present the facts and truth. When they post this nonsensical libterdial remarks, they should prove it or shut up. As they have yet to prove one single fact to support their theorys they were told by left leaning, liberal and socialist filtered networks, I am no toilet seat. Neither were your parents. Neither am I. So if you see a trend here about conservatives and christians actively posting?,...with all the wrong that the democrats have done with this country, we are no longer silent, nor will we be in the future. While the libterdial movement has been going on, its now time to flush in 2012 and thats a long time to do so. If you don't know what has been going on in this country, you need to get up to speed with the debt, the policies and the direction of government. Its your duty as an American citizen. And if you don't know you are witness to the worst president in the history of this nation, then I cannot even help you.
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        by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 07:08 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
        Clair, don't be fooled by old snake oil, First he lied about him being a Democrat. if he was a Dem, why would he have supported Bush for two Terms, supported the likes of Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Rick Perry, and Herman Cain? He is what's technically called a GOP Troll.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 24, 2011 at 01:43 AM in reply to
          Snake is a Troll, he sees no harm in the ranting of the GOP, but is quick to fall back on the 57 state line from Obama. Totally ignoring all the mis quotes and untrue statements from his right wing buddies.
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          by Obama Snake Oil Co on Nov 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM in reply to
          Wrong and liar, I have been registed D for 30 years plus. I chose to make intelligent decisions on who runs and frankly, the DNC doesn't seem to find them. Troll? Really, hear for you then bro....you post you libterdial nonsense, I will be there.
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        by and on Nov 26, 2011 at 07:02 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
        The only trend I see with snakeman is a shallow brain contained in a tinfoil hat that cannot even pick his own canidate.
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          by Obama Snake Oil co on Nov 28, 2011 at 12:51 PM in reply to and
          Shallow brained...Hey, I didn't vote for Obama am pretty sure you did. Thanks for leaving no doubt who the remark was for.
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      by Anonymous on Nov 24, 2011 at 05:01 AM in reply to Claire
      amazing, you people have proved what Chaire meant, you can't be polite on here if you had to. OSOC, i like what you say most of the time, but you, and the 2 anon just showed how far we need to go before we can called civilled.
  • by liar liar on Nov 23, 2011 at 09:54 AM
    I'm still curious as to who rhinks people who watch fox news are misinformed. who sponsered the survey and when. Please prove some proof of this silly survey, otherwise I'll call you a "LIAR!!!!"
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      by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 02:11 PM in reply to liar liar
      I rhink people who watch fox news are misinformed. Here's who sponsered the survey and when. This proves some proof of this silly survey. Nobody's lying about the survey. You're a jerk. http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
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        by liar liar still on Nov 24, 2011 at 02:55 PM in reply to
        hmmm, New Jersey. That's all they talked to, people in New Jersey. They (and you) are very subjective in analysis of all of this data, so please, don't try and just say Fox News makes you misinfomed. MSNBC can misinform people just as easily. you are a bigger idiot. you are still a LIAR!
  • by Banks Location: enc on Nov 22, 2011 at 09:25 PM
    Banks and corporations are showing highest profits in four years, yet the stale meate continues. What the 1% and their protectors (the GOP) don't seem to understand is that the middle class is the "demand" part of "supply and demand". If the middle class is so strapped, they can't buy-then there is no need for business start-ups or increase in production. Eventually, it will affect the 1% and then they will see the importance of a strong middle class. The jobs bill would do just that-put money in the pockets of the middle class so they can "buy" and pay taxes. It is soooo simple!
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      by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 12:35 AM in reply to Banks
      Finally, a sane poster.
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        by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 06:26 AM in reply to
        matter of opinion!more like insane to me!
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        by and.. on Nov 26, 2011 at 07:08 AM in reply to
        if the banks won't help they will just have to just eat "stale Meate"
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      by REM on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:11 AM in reply to Banks
      This government wasn't designed to "put money" in the pockets of ANYONE. I'm so sick of most people voicing an opinion about a subject that they no nothing about. The jobs bill, like many that have passed through legislation for the past few decades, is totally unconstitutional!
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        by To REM on Nov 26, 2011 at 04:31 PM in reply to REM
        Please review the methods used by FDR!!!
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          by ? on Nov 28, 2011 at 05:38 AM in reply to To REM
          You mean FDR's temporary infrastructure jobs, which was just recycling tax money; technically there isn’t anything in the Constitution that states the Government must provide jobs, just general welfare (which was added in by FDR). Look, FDR’s policies worked back in the 20s and 30s because people were willing to put blind faith into the Government at that time but that will not work in this day and age. Spending more money will not solve this problem, which is exactly what FDR’s policies did, he started the spending of the massive amounts of money the Government had at the time to try to fix the Great Depression, he failed horribly. It was a combination of the end of the Dust Bowl, the advancement of technology, and the start of WWII that ended the Great Depression. Meaning putting American production first and foremost instead of China or any other country will start the process of ending of our problems.
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      by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:36 AM in reply to Banks
      of course it must be the GOP's fault. Never mind the dim's want the middle class to be depressed, that's the only way they will get re-elected.
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      by Obama Snake Oil Co on Nov 23, 2011 at 02:05 PM in reply to Banks
      You may be on to something here, can you post a link? Last I checked my money was investments in stock from banks for my retirement....I just need to know if the audits I read are inflated.
  • by Chris Location: The Rational World on Nov 22, 2011 at 03:27 PM
    Everyone here seems to have their own sets of "facts". It seems that whichever rival network you watch will tell you what the "facts" are, but none can agree on any of them. Let's assume for the sake of argument that the neworks owned by billionaires will provide "facts" that benefit them, and neworks that are owned by no one, such as FSTV will provide "facts" that benefit the rest of the population. Are you going to side with the billionaires and help them and their agenda, or side with the rest of America and help yourself? Please think carefully before answering.
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      by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 05:46 PM in reply to Chris
      Why do you think Republicans hate networks like FSTV and NPR?
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      by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:45 AM in reply to Chris
      you did hot on one thing that is accurate-everyone has their own set of "facts", doesn't matter who it is. Please remember that the all of the big netowrks are owned by 1%ers. FSTV is a non-profit true, but they are of a liberal mindset, just like npr. nice try, but that didn't work either.
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        by Chris on Nov 23, 2011 at 08:26 AM in reply to
        Objectivity does not equate with bias one way or the other. If you see it as bias then it's easy to see where you stand politically.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 03:41 PM in reply to Chris
          please tell me which network is objective?
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          by Chris on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:28 PM in reply to Chris
          Good question Anon, but if I watch an hour of FOX, an hour of MSNBC, and an hour of Democracy Now, I see lots more opinon on the first two, and a whole lot more just plain old news and reporting on DN/FSTV. Granted, when they have a guest, they're more likely to express from a lefty point of view, but if you just want aggregate coverage and footage without any commentary one way or the other, and no commercials, you'd have to watch the other two for a full news cycle just to get the same amount of information DN puts out in an hour. All without fancy graphics and no tickers scrolling across the screen. Don't believe? Try.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 24, 2011 at 05:33 PM in reply to Chris
          You do realize that, by definition, lack of objectivity is bias, so yes, these terms are very related. Please learn the definition of the words for which you wish to argue the definition.
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          by Chris on Nov 25, 2011 at 04:40 AM in reply to Chris
          To Anonymous: I didn't mention LACK of objectivity, learn to read before you contradict.
  • by Obama Snake Oil Co Location: Washington on Nov 22, 2011 at 12:51 PM
    From the Blaze; The lack of any budget reduction plan by the “supercommittee” may cause more good than harm. Automatic cuts are now supposed to begin. This will mean large reductions in expenditures by the Defense Department and sharp cuts to social programs. The Bush tax cuts could disappear, as could long-term unemployment benefits. Taken as a whole, these cuts will further weaken the economy, many experts believe. In place of the cuts, Congress may elect to reduce the deficit, but with more balanced reductions, which finally could include Medicare. Increasing numbers of retail experts predict that major store chains and e-commerce firms will cut the cost of their inventories to gain revenue as consumer optimism falters. The lack of a deal in Washington to set budget cuts could add to consumer malaise. The possibility that unemployment benefits and tax cuts could be negatively effected will cause further concern. Stores may hold their own in sales in November and December. Profits are another matter.
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      by Teddy on Nov 22, 2011 at 03:32 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
      The Blaze???!!! You get your information from Glenn Beck's website? Glenn Beck? The guy who was even too crazy and paranoid for FOX News? and you expect anyone to take you seriously? Give me a break!
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        by REM on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:12 AM in reply to Teddy
        I bet you can't name a single instance where Glen Beck has been wrong about something that he didn't come and correct himself if found to be incorrect. Troll.
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          by Teddy on Nov 23, 2011 at 02:59 PM in reply to REM
          You're joking, right?
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          by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:09 PM in reply to REM
          Is this clown serious? Doesn't even deserve a response.
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          by REM on Nov 24, 2011 at 03:30 PM in reply to REM
          Notice the too people below failed to offer proof of such allegations. Nice job proving my point though, try again next time!
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      by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 05:49 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
      HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. And you question Huffington Post and Media Matters? Notes to osoc, never, never mention the Blaze in posting again!
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        by Obama Snake Oil co on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:22 AM in reply to
        And can you explain why they present video, facts and audio to support the story.....they reference stories that are correct from the major networks after they are checked out to be true...So you point is, the truth and facts won't do, you want the spin version to make you feel good about being a fool?
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          by Bud on Nov 23, 2011 at 03:13 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil co
          I wonder how long you could stand to listen to Democracy Now.
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        by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:35 AM in reply to
        Blaze = huffington post is the fact that they don't look for facts, they don't care about facts, it's ratings for them.
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          by Obama Snake Oil co on Nov 23, 2011 at 01:41 PM in reply to
          Facts=credibility=Blaze...pound sand, cry out loud..yell and scream, you should be able to find old reruns of Air American on line to make you "feel" better.
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      by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 12:38 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
      Did he just say the Blaze? What a Bafoon!
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        by REM on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:13 AM in reply to
        Yes, the Blaze. You know, one of those rare media outlets that aren't controlled by money and power. Aka, a TRUE bit of journalism.
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          by Teddy on Nov 23, 2011 at 03:04 PM in reply to REM
          Hahahahahahhaaaa... Yeah buddy!
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          by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:11 PM in reply to REM
          Another Nutjob, bet he watches Fox as well.
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          by REM on Nov 24, 2011 at 03:31 PM in reply to REM
          Yet another two posters who failed to offer any counter evidence. Do you enjoy just mocking people without offering anything to the discussion? I guess so, because last time I checked, The Blaze has kept a rock solid record so far. If you find anything to the contrary, please I'm all ears.
  • by here we go again on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM
    I knew it, all anyone can do is blame one party or the other, no one will even try to figure out how we can work together.No one is willing to try. lavon, your comment is way out in left field(no pun intended), are you from wrights church? Please try and remain on topic. Barlow, at least OSOC tried to provide facts to back up his position, all you did was provide an alligation, please provide proof.
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      by Bud on Nov 22, 2011 at 03:06 PM in reply to here we go again
      Yes, it's true that OSOC "tried" to provide facts to back up his position, but unfortunately the sources he often cites -The Blaze, -The Daily Caller, etc. only provide their readers with pseudo facts and pretend information. According to FOX: "The news is what we say it is." OSOC and his cadre of friends don't posess any real facts, just opinions provided for them by right-wing think tanks to gin up hate toward Liberals and keep them from straying to the left when the right really screws things up, like now. They generate suspicion toward any other news sources to keep them watching and listening. Suppose these good old boys were to wake up one morning and realized how they'd been betrayed by their own favorite networks, wouldn't that be a hoot?
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        by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 04:25 PM in reply to Bud
        hey "dud", ever stop and think that the left does the exact same thing. They have thier own media sources who spin the "facts" and slant everything towards the left. be it Fox or cnn, the news is rigged.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 05:52 PM in reply to
          But Fox News has been surveyed as having the Most Mis-informed Viewers out of all the networks.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:33 AM in reply to
          please tell me who stated that FOX has the Most Mis-informed Viewers out of all the networks? Another network? Please, that's like msnbc is stated they are the most objective.
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          by Bud on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:41 AM in reply to
          I don't know of any left-leaning networks except maybe NPR, but even they will have more right-leaning guests than left. The liberal media doesn't exist, it's just a myth perpetuated by the right. All neworks are corporate owned.
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          by no dud try again on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:51 AM in reply to
          on no, did "dud" really try and got there? msnbc, cnn, hln, abc,nbc,cbs are all left leaning, some more (msnbc) then others (cnn). all of them cheer obuma and boo republicians. They idolize the ows crowd, but either ignored the Tea Party, or tried to find something bad about them.
  • by country boy Location: havelock on Nov 22, 2011 at 09:54 AM
    What says that if you are employed and loose your job, we will give you unemployment benefits until you decide to go back to work. I know a lot of these "unemloyed for year" persons and the majority of them don't want to go back to work based on the amount of benefits they receive weekly. Most have Food Stamps as well. Bet if they were going hungry, they would find a job real quick.
  • by here we go again on Nov 22, 2011 at 08:10 AM
    And now the fussing like 8yr olds on the playground will start, each side blames the others, then "We The People" join in acting just like them, and no one is willing to bend even alittle to consider the others side. Please notice I'm not taking sides, I blame all of them equally, they weren't willing to even try to cooperate, everyone just wants to talk the party line. Now I'm sure that Barlow, Lavon, Wolfgang, and Obama Snake Oil Co. will chime in with the party name calling. But I DARE anyone to try and convince me that it was one side or the other that failed. I've slapped the face and have drawn a line in the sand.
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      by Obama Snake Oil co on Nov 22, 2011 at 09:31 AM in reply to here we go again
      I'll keep it simple, what party spent more money than all the past presidental terms combined, democrats. What party doesn't seem to understand what 15 trillion dollars is or that it has to be paid back? Little clue, democrats. So which party voted against all the spending bills and lost due to lack of votes to do so; republicans. Which party pushed and passed Obama care and which party fought it, you see how this works? Votes matter, media is there to inform if you find a good one that does that and congress is accountable to voters. When elections come up, I think I will not having a problem as a democrat, voting republican as I know where they stand on the spending. And for the lie sporting president who blamed this on republicans, I will vote against him too. I cannot afford his spending programs and neither can my grandkids and their kids. I think "Back" has a great perspective on how I see it as well. The difference between me and some of your other common posters, its not party lines, it principles and goals. Some of us know who got us into these problems and some are blinded by party loyalty. And WE THE PEOPLE joined the Tea Party for a reason and they are obvious.
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        by Barlow on Nov 22, 2011 at 10:55 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil co
        Well, you did manage to get the US credit downgraded for the first time in history, so I guess you have that to be proud of right?
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        by here we go again on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:03 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil co
        Ok, now a question,(again, I'm not taking sides), don't you think the republicians also share in the failure to pass any type of meaningful reform?
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          by Obama Snake Oil Co on Nov 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM in reply to here we go again
          Self preservation, you raise taxes on the wealthy, we lose fellow employees as a result. We know the drill. So tax increases were not in the mix, cutting spending was, the same spending that got our credit ratings downgraded since we show no control or responsible cutting back. I don't sit in denial. I know who did what, I know who voted for what and I am yet to hear one democrat support jobs by cutting spending. They spend it even if it is not authorized and spend even more...then suddenly, the fix is...raise taxes. Gosh, what did we get for our trillions? What do you have to show for it? What do the poor have to show for it? Yeah, free cell phones, internet and TV cable. So they spend my money on what? And now you say the fix is the old tired tax and spend argument that has never, ever worked in history?
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        by Barlow on Nov 22, 2011 at 01:00 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil co
        The Bush tax gifts are about to go away. Obama didn't do this. In fact, he just extended them so we could get unemployment benefits for the Bush recession victims. It was Bush who put the ten year limit on the tax cuts. Why? Because he knew it would add to the deficit and it has, by trillions. There has been no tangible benefits in terms of jobs added. All that has happened is the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Blame your "war hero" George for the TAX HIKE (as you like to call it). He built the end in when he started his giveaway.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 01:43 PM in reply to Barlow
          good grief man, can you say anything else besides "it's Bushes fault"? you are so annoying with that old tired liberal saying. But let me ask you this point blank, way do you think raising taxes is better then reducing spending?
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 06:08 PM in reply to Barlow
          Barlow, the truth hurts Repubs. They are constantly in denial and trying to re-write history.
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          by To Barlow on Nov 22, 2011 at 08:16 PM in reply to Barlow
          I may need to recheck, but I think it was the CBO that required the 10 year limit on the Bush tax cuts. They were put through the same way the Health Care was-by reconcilitation. I think the "limit" put on them was 10 years.
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      by REM on Nov 22, 2011 at 10:05 AM in reply to here we go again
      I second that motion; they are ALL to blame for greedy, self/party centered actions. I wish the founders could come back for one year to give everyone a lesson on REAL common sense government.
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        by Lavon on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:09 AM in reply to REM
        Your founding fathers raped and killed people and stole this land from them. The chickens have come home to roost
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          by The flood on Nov 22, 2011 at 12:09 PM in reply to Lavon
          And those people were happily killing and raping each other when we got here. There is no country or piece of land on the face of the planet any different.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 01:37 PM in reply to Lavon
          zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, hmmm what did someone say something important? no? I didn't think so,it was just latrine talking, so nothing important! now back to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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        by To REM on Nov 22, 2011 at 08:21 PM in reply to REM
        Guess what? Common Sense was written by the forefather Thomas Paine. He was so enfluential that John Adams credited his writing for the success of the revolution. He also wrote The Age of Reason and was a Deist!!!
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      by Barlow on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:16 AM in reply to here we go again
      Wasn't in the meetings, but one party is widely known as the party of NO. just sayin.
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        by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:42 AM in reply to Barlow
        and one party are called DIM's, just sayin.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 06:11 PM in reply to
          That's "Dems", were you the one at the Tea Party Rally holding the mis-spelled sign....no wait, all of them were mis-spelled. Go figure.
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          by REM on Nov 23, 2011 at 04:05 AM in reply to
          "mis-spelled" LOL, you can't be serious?!
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          by Anonymous on Nov 23, 2011 at 05:34 AM in reply to
          that is an intentional misspelling on the word democrat. dem = dim. I do realize that sarcasm can be subjective, but please stop be so literal.
  • by Back Location: Gvlle on Nov 22, 2011 at 08:10 AM
    The super comittee dems said "no" just as many times as the repubs did but yet according to obama it was mostly the repubs fault. The repubs put tax increases on the table (fact) but still the dems said no. Dems keep bringing up "tax the rich"...but they always conveniently leave out the VERY important FACT that if they taxed them at 75 % it would NOT even put a dent in the debt. Both parties are quilty for not doing enough. obama is quilty of spinning the truth and lying.....which has become his trademark. Typical liberal left that will do anything to force their agenda and ideas on everyone. Another point to make regarding the lamestream media: m. obama and j. biden were booed by tens of thousands of race fans this past weekend but most of the media reported the obvious as alleged and confusion. lol No confusion here folks...the majority does not care for the obamas and the bidens...period. We are sick of the muslim's blame game, his incompetence, his arrogance, his socialist and progressive agenda. I hope this will be his only term but unfortunately there are still many gullible, ignorant sheep out there that will believe anything he tells them. Plus you have the black voters that will do as they did last election...vote on race regardless of obama's dismal failure as a president and possible citizen of the United States.
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      by uh on Nov 22, 2011 at 08:57 AM in reply to Back
      Muslim?
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        by Yes on Nov 22, 2011 at 09:29 AM in reply to uh
        Yes, Muslim. Do the research the media did not do when he ran for office and anyone with an ounce of common sense would know what this man really stands for and it is not the USA!!
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM in reply to Yes
          You do know there are plenty of Muslim Americans, dont' you?
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 06:11 PM in reply to Yes
          Oh NOOOOOO, not another Fox news Birther!!!!
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        by Back on Nov 22, 2011 at 10:09 AM in reply to uh
        I can site facts that point to the very good possibility that he is a muslim. Can anyone site facts that he is not? If so...show us all.
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          by Barlow on Nov 22, 2011 at 10:59 AM in reply to Back
          I can site the fact that you are a bigot. It is in your post. And what does in matter if the man is a muslim or not except in your sick head? I hope our next president IS a muslim or a hindu or anything but a phoney christian.
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          by Anonymous on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM in reply to Back
          Go ahead, site your 'facts' and please, facts, not speculation. You can start by proving he doesn't eat pork, has made a pillgrimage, and worships 5 times a day. Prove those using facts, and then you can start to convince somebody.
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          by Back on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM in reply to Back
          So it doesn't matter that he lied about his religion? And if he is a muslim, it doesn't matter that we are at war with a muslim group? I express my opinion based on facts and I'm a bigot? You are typical why this nation is becoming morally and ethically bankrupt. It actually sounds to me like I touched a nerve because I express facts about your pathetic president and you don't like it. You are the true ignorant bigot that sticks your head in the sand whenever the winds of change don't go your way. You are a typical liberal hypocrit. You people think its ok to lie to get what ever you want.
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