Court Case Holding Rumsfeld Accountable For Torture Can Move Forward

A court says two Americans who worked for an Iraqi contracting firm can move forward with a lawsuit accusing former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of being responsible for U.S. forces allegedly torturing them.

The ruling Monday from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago a rejects arguments that Rumsfeld should be immune from such lawsuits for work performed as a Cabinet secretary.

Donald Vance and Nathan Ertel claim they were tortured in 2006 after blowing the whistle on alleged illegal activities by the contracting company. They say they were subjected to sleep deprivation, blasting music, hunger and various threats.

The lawsuit describes such practices as torture and alleges Rumsfeld personally took part in approving the methods for use by the military in Iraq.


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  • by Obama Snake Oil co Location: Washington on Aug 9, 2011 at 08:29 AM
    You are just going to hate this libterds, Waterboarding is not against the law or illegal. LOL, it will be thrown out of court.
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      by Anonymous on Aug 9, 2011 at 07:11 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil co
      As usual, you're completely incorrect. "Waterboarding is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts,[4][34][35] politicians, war veterans,[36][37] intelligence officials,[38] military judges,[39] and human rights organizations.[21][40] David Miliband, then United Kingdom Foreign Secretary, described it as torture on 19 July 2008, and stated "the UK unreservedly condemns the use of torture."[41] Arguments have been put forward that it might not be torture in all cases, or that it is unclear.[15][42][43][44] The U.S. State Department has recognized "submersion of the head in water" as torture in other circumstances, for example, in its 2005 Country Report on Tunisia.[45] The United Nations' Report of the Committee Against Torture: Thirty-fifth Session of November 2006, stated that state parties should rescind any interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding, that constitutes torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment" However you're right about one thing, it will likely be thrown out of court, but that's simply because the U.S. isn't going to throw a former Defense Secretary under the bus, even though he may very well deserve it.
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        by Obama Snake Oil Co on Aug 10, 2011 at 05:14 AM in reply to
        We are talking about America...nice try though...facts are facts, deal with it. Look at the timeline and when the law changed....hope that helps.
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          by Anonymous on Aug 10, 2011 at 06:04 PM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
          Oh...well if that's the case, please explain this; Commentators have noted that the memos omitted key relevant precedents, including a Texas precedent under then-Governor George W. Bush when the state convicted and sentenced to prison for 10 years a county sheriff for waterboarding a criminal suspect.[53] Bush did not issue a pardon for the sheriff. So a suspect (which is what most of the people rounded up in Gitmo were) was waterboarded (tortured) and the sheriff got 10 years for that. But when the CIA does it, it's perfectly acceptable and historical precident is no longer relevant? How about the people who the United States hung for waterboarding American Soldiers during WWII? We certantly say it as torture then? So please, explain to me how you can be so wrong, and yet honestly believe you're right. When every shred of evidence points you wrong. (oh and regardless of the legality in the U.S. internationally, it's illegal, so you're still wrong) Thanks for playing.
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          by Anonymous on Aug 19, 2011 at 11:01 AM in reply to Obama Snake Oil Co
          No reply from OSOC...how odd. Must be afraid of the truth.
  • by Barlow Location: Madison on Aug 8, 2011 at 07:51 PM
    Don't forget Bush, Cheney and Condi. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see them all in chains. Thousands of Americans dead. Tens of thousands of Iraqs dead or displaced. For what? To enrich war profiteers like Cheney's Haliburton. No bid contracts and Cheney's old company just happens to be the "only" qualified company. Really? Only Haliburton? The most despicable people that ever held high office.
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      by You're right on Aug 9, 2011 at 12:02 AM in reply to Barlow
      It's surprising how many people have (and continue to) buy into the lies that got us involved in this mess in the first place. It was all a ruse to control oil fields, plain and simple. The costs of these 3 wars is bringing our nation to the brink of total financial devastation. Our political leaders have done more to destroy the US than Bin Laden ever did. They need to be held accountable for their crimes. Until then we will just continue to see more of the same.
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        by Anonymous on Aug 9, 2011 at 01:38 AM in reply to You're right
        I agree 100%.
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        by Anonymous on Aug 9, 2011 at 04:05 PM in reply to You're right
        Really? How much oil are we getting from Iraq? How many oil refineries and rigs do we have in Iraq? These war crimes you speak of are what got us the information that led to the killing of Bin Laden. If it keeps our country safe, I say torture every last one of them, they didnt get sent to GITMO for being honest people.
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          by Anonymous on Aug 9, 2011 at 07:21 PM in reply to
          So you want to use an unreliable, worthless method to ensure the small possibility of being given (likley false) information? And then you wonder why the rest of the world actually hates the U.S., just look in the mirror for the answer. I wonder how you'd feel if countries just starting abuducting United States citizens and tortured them because they may be spies? And I'm not talking about a fringe terrorist group, I mean an actual government did this.
  • by Anonymous on Aug 8, 2011 at 05:41 PM
    This is only the beginning. Hopefully all of these fascists will be brought to justice.
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      by Try This on Aug 8, 2011 at 07:00 PM in reply to
      Yeah maybe we should shoot more unarmed AL QAEDA while we are at it.Then we need to find out what american under the obama administration gave out information about the largest number of navy seals ever killed.Hopefully all these fascist will be brought to justice.
  • by Wimpy Liberals on Aug 8, 2011 at 02:55 PM
    What a bunch of pansies.Those two guys sound like they never had a spanking when needed.What they just describe is not torture.Maybe they should have crammed a needle underneath their finger nails.Now thats torture.I have had this happen to me.That will break balls of sweat off your forehead big as a marble.
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      by Katie on Aug 8, 2011 at 08:34 PM in reply to Wimpy Liberals
      I love your post. I thought the exact same thing.
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      by Not so fast, partner on Aug 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM in reply to Wimpy Liberals
      Torture in this country, in fact in all the free world, is illegal. If you're so much in favor of using it, perhaps you'd would have been happier in Nazi Germany or one of the other dozen or more fascist regimes of our time? People who commit crimes in this country should be held accountable for their actions. And yah, I'm a vet and I fought so you'd have the right to speak your mind (irregardless of how wrong you may be).
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        by AMD on Aug 9, 2011 at 08:00 PM in reply to Not so fast, partner
        Honestly, I dont care what kind of techniques they use in order to get necessary intelligence from those who want to do us harm. If what they do makes it safer for Americans and my family, I say go for it. Yeah, I am also a vet of 21 years in the Marines. I fought so those like, Wimpy Liberals and Katie had the right to say what they did.
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      by Anonymous on Aug 9, 2011 at 07:23 PM in reply to Wimpy Liberals
      If you're up to saying it's not torture, why not post of a video of yourself being waterboarded? Aka, basically drowning.
  • by Nero Location: pcc on Aug 8, 2011 at 02:42 PM
    Brought to you by the Obama administration, lets just hand the country over to terrorists and liberals and get it over with,things didn't work out to well for Soddom and Gommorah either.
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      by Anonymous on Aug 9, 2011 at 01:36 AM in reply to Nero
      What does Obama administration have to do with it? This is exactly why the US economy was down graded, ignorant people like you trying to think.
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