Army Approves Atheism-Themed Concert At Fort Bragg

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- The Army has approved an atheism-themed concert event at Fort Bragg after months of disagreement about the show.

Sgt. Justin Griffith, a Bragg soldier and military director of American Atheists, says the event could be a turning point for military personnel who don't belong to any religious tradition.

Griffith had tried to organize the festival this year, but canceled in the spring after saying the base wasn't treating the secular event the same way it had helped an earlier Christian concert at Bragg.

The event is scheduled for March 31, 2012. Famed atheist Richard Dawkins is slated to speak, along with a roster of musicians and other entertainment.

Bragg spokesman Ben Abel says the base will provide the same support for the event it provides for other private groups.
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  • by Truth on Aug 18, 2011 at 06:27 AM
    Hey, I can quote mine too! "The banana; the atheist's worst nightmare!" - Ray Comfort. Take a look at that argument sometime, lol. That said, allow me to refute of your teleological arguments. The human eye is complex, but that does not necessarily indicate it was created; we have a good explanation for the evolution of the eye. Our knowledge of this is not perfect, however. But filling the gaps in our knowledge or understanding of something with "God did it" is an argument from ignorance. Next, the "Coca Cola can" argument is another deviation of the "Watchmaker's Argument". If modern day humans saw a soda can, we would understand it was designed. If a caveman or person with no exposure to civilization saw a soda can, they would not see design, only a shiny object. We see design not based on a definition, but based on comparison of things we know are designed vs. things that occur in nature. Ascertaining knowledge of whether the universe was designed is not possible using the example of the soda can/watch on the beach/mousetrap/painting/etc.; therefore the analogy is ineffective and so is the argument.
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      by Jenks23 on Aug 18, 2011 at 08:34 AM in reply to Truth
      Alright Truth I am done. You are just not willing to look outside of your "educated" view points. As I stated yesterday I am not trying o make yoo believe, I & many others have posted things that are NO different than your "truth" called Evolution. So while I hope one day you will trully open up to God & see Him, that is & always will be your decision! I did do a reply to your refute of my 10,000 yrs comment but i did not show up. It doesn't matter in the end b/c you would still not be willing to see what I was saying. Of course that is completely your right & for the most part I have enjoyed our debate.
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        by Truth on Aug 18, 2011 at 09:53 AM in reply to Jenks23
        "You would still not be willing to see what I was saying" - I could just as easily say the same of you. No one has produced anything remotely compelling to offer an alternative to evolution grounded in reality, so my mind is unchanged about it's validity, and rightfully so. I'm sorry we were unable to meet on more common ground, but that is the nature of most issues when religion is involved. Ultimately, we are both happy with our lives and both of us think we could improve the lives of the other "if they would only accept it." Usually only doing the work and research yourself will lead to a greater understanding, be it evolution, creation, religion, or science. Sometimes discussion and debate jumpstarts that process. I too have enjoyed the debate. Thank you for not being overly-pressing with your brand of religion (as many Christians are apt to do) and respecting the topic at hand. I also hope one day your eyes will open and you will discover the truth behind what science is and gain a new respect for rational reasoning. -shakes hands-
  • by Jenks23 on Aug 17, 2011 at 11:51 PM
    Did you know the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing muscles move an estimated 100,000 times a day, & the retina contains 137,000,000 light sensitive cells? Charles Darwin, who the Theory of Evolution is credited to, said, "To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." If man cannot begin to make a human eye, how could anyone in his right mind think that eyes formed by mere chance? In fact, man cannot make anything from nothing. We don't know how to do it. We can re-create, reform, develop...but we cannot create even one grain of sand from nothing. Yet, the eye is only a small part of the most sophisticated part of creation -- the human body. George Gallup said, "I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity." Finally Albert Einstein said, "Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe -- a spirit vastly superior to man, & one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble." Illustrations by Ray Comfort
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      by Max on Aug 18, 2011 at 08:24 AM in reply to Jenks23
      Jenks23, suppose you were in a debate and posed a difficulty that you wanted the audience to consider. However, I, the moderator, cut you off at that moment, denying you the chance to make your argument complete. The audience leaves, convinced that you were dumbfounded by your own difficulty which, in reality, was merely a rhetorical device introducing several pages of your argument. How would you feel? Cheated? Well, here’s the sentence after the one you gave in the Darwin quote: “Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.” Darwin then goes on to refine his eye explanation in the next few pages. So why is it OK to let Ray Comfort cheat Darwin out of his explanation and pretend it means something else?
  • by Jenks23 on Aug 17, 2011 at 11:33 PM
    Here is a little "evolution" illustration for all those who do not believe in God. Truth this is similar context to your puddle example you used yesterday for opposite reasons. Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself inot a can, a lid, & a tab. Millions of years later, red & white paint fell from the sky, & formed itself into the words "Coca Cola...12 fluid ounces." Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, b/c you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone. Illustration by Ray Comfort
  • by which came first... on Aug 16, 2011 at 02:28 PM
    if the sun ejected matter into the space which is now our solar system, to become the planets, it technically wasn't our sun yet. the matter which ejected formed around the sun, with the most dense materials being closest to the sun, the least being far away (except pluto which is technically a KBO). the planets orbit as would a giant accretion disk--around the center plane of the sun, meaning they were all forming at the same time. this is not discounted by the Bible. even the 'big bang' goes right along with 'let there be light'. the creatures that formed per evolution are in the same order as the Bible--sea creatures, land creatures, human. all i can do is go by what the Bible says, far be it from me to say God wouldnt do things this way or that. but i do believe that our existence here is on purpose, which is evident to me by seeing the complexity of life on earth--in other 'life searches' on other planets, astronomers hope to find one celled organisms--and here WE to even debate this sort of thing. but as far as the original story of atheist themed concert--wow, thats hilarious to me! actually it sort of reminds me of something the nazis would do, but also, whats the point of it? i dont care about it one way or the other; seems kind of silly..
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      by Truth on Aug 16, 2011 at 06:59 PM in reply to which came first...
      Well, then, what were the planets orbiting if not the sun? If plants came before the sun, how would plant life survive without light and in -300 degree temperatures without it?
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        by okay.. on Aug 16, 2011 at 08:01 PM in reply to Truth
        not that im that lazy, but its alot to type. i always thought the Bible implied the sun was part of 'the light' first created...
  • by Jonathan Location: Washington on Aug 16, 2011 at 10:28 AM
    God clearly showed us His plans by laying them out in the world’s biggest-selling book. He outlined the process by which He “built” all things. The Book of Genesis is there for us to read and believe, if we so desire. It stands up scientifically and its words are clearly reflected in creation. Despite the fantasies of evolution believers, we see male and female in over a million kinds of animals, fish, insects, and birds, and every one brings forth after its own kind (except for a few lonely worms who don’t experience the joys of procreation). Nothing changes kinds—neither in the existing creation, nor has anything changed kinds--according to the fossil record. Of course, believers in evolution believe differently, and that’s their God-given right. It’s also my God-given right not to be a believer. Yes, God was manifest for all to see. His plans were written clearly for any who want to investigate them. What He did for sinful humanity wasn’t done in a dark room. He did it in the light and if someone can’t see it clearly, they need only come into the light. God became a human being and took upon Himself the sin of the world, and then He rose from the dead defeating death for all who believe (trust). Jesus paid the fine in full on the cross so that the criminals who had violated God’s Law (the Ten Commandments) could have their cases dismissed. Upon our repentance and faith in Jesus, God terminates our case and lets us live. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Don’t be senseless. Take the gift…or at least earnestly investigate it while you still have time. Your wages are waiting for you to collect them. Make sure you quit before Payday.
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      by Truth on Aug 16, 2011 at 11:20 AM in reply to Jonathan
      You believe whatever you want to, but please, stop spreading your own ignorance of the theory of evolution. Evolution is not like PokeMon; there is no Croco-duck. Every fossil and living creature is a transitional form. You can't see that because you don't understand how evolution actually works. Also, if you could, please define the word "kind." How on earth can someone ignore the fossil, geological, and genetic evidence that supports the theory of evolution - and instead believe in the story from an ancient book that a magical man in the sky created everything, killed nearly everyone, ordered genocide and other immoral acts, condoned slavery, impregnated a married woman with himself, and then sacrificed himself to himself to clear a blood-debt that he also created.
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        by to truth on Aug 16, 2011 at 02:16 PM in reply to Truth
        hey, can you set me up with some links or something to where you found out about the evidence of evolution in fossils? geology? or genes? cause ive never seen anything that was airtight, and apparently youve seen something i havent.
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          by Truth on Aug 16, 2011 at 04:38 PM in reply to to truth
          Of course I can! A basic overview of the evidences for Evolution: ( Dr. Ken Miller talks about DNA evidence in human/primate evolution: ( Transitional Fossils: ( Radiometric dating: ( Pretty much everything you can find here ( will help bring you greater understanding of the whole topic of Evolution vs. Creationism.
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          by 'k on Aug 16, 2011 at 08:15 PM in reply to to truth
          thankyou. so if DNA is the building blocks of life, why wouldnt there be similarities? we all exist in the same atmospheric and geologic elements (for the most part-there are more of some things in some areas, less in others, etc...). our DNA is what it is because it is conducive for us to live on earth in this environment. this does not disprove the existence of God or creation of the universe by God in any way. in fact, to me, it shows even more evidence toward a Creator who perfectly designed life in order for it to exist on the perfectly created earth. (and by perfect, dont get me confused with 'early church' ideals, i mean, everything we need is right here, and our bodies are complex and amazing).
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          by Truth on Aug 17, 2011 at 08:03 AM in reply to to truth
          Evolution being factual does not necessarily disprove our creation by a god. The pope and many other prominent religious figures recognize the evidence behind evolution and accept it, forming new religious hypotheses in their interpretation of Genesis. I do not see things as perfectly created for life, however. Nearly 100% of the universe is instantly deadly to life as we know it. The planet we live on has 10% arable land. 75% of the water is undrinkable. Humans only live for 80-100 or so years of age, and are susceptible to illness and injury easily, sometimes due to our own organs/body functions (such as the appendix/strokes and heart attacks/cancer). The moon's orbit has slowly decayed and will eventually be released from orbit. Natural disasters happen regularly. Eventually, the sun will destroy the earth and all life on it. Why would an intelligent creator put life on a planet where it is bound to be eradicated?
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          by Jenks23 on Aug 17, 2011 at 09:57 AM in reply to to truth
          Truth- None of what you said about the moon & the sun disprove God either. See the Bible talks about in the end of times the heavens & the Earth will passing away & new ones replacing them. 2 Peter 3:10-18 & Revelation 21:1. The Earth when it was created was perfect for sustaining life. It was the fall of man with the sin of Adam that caused the stuff you mentioned. Of course I know I am just typing this for nothing b/c I am sure you have read this but have decided not to believe it.
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          by Truth on Aug 17, 2011 at 11:15 AM in reply to to truth
          Again, I am not trying to disprove god. I was responding to the claim that our world/universe is perfect/ideal for life. I would have no better luck trying to disprove god than trying to disprove that you have an invisible leprechaun living in your garage. I could simplistically refute the Christian god based on the characteristics given to him by most Christians, however. I won't go into that here, since it is more philosophical and less scientific. Besides, as it has been stated before, the onus is on the person making the positive claim, "God exists and created the world/adam and eve's sin caused the fall of man/etc." Something no one can provide. Proof would have to come from that supernatural entity changing something measurable in reality. As it stands, that entity is immeasurable, intangible, and exists only as a matter of faith.
  • by jerry Location: enc on Aug 15, 2011 at 07:11 PM
    Well, it`s always the same, bible thumpers against people with brains.
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      by Jenks23 on Aug 16, 2011 at 12:50 AM in reply to jerry
      By attempting to throw insults, it sure doesn't show well for the latter part of your comment! Why is it that people who choose to believe in the Bible do not have any "brains?" Just b/c people believe differently than you do, does not mean they do not have any intelligence!
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      by the funny thing is on Aug 16, 2011 at 01:43 PM in reply to jerry
      yeah, even worse is when you have bible thumpers WITH brains that make you think beyond that which you have been indoctrined. by the way, what makes you think that God's creation is a manifestation of Science, rather than Science being a manifestation of God's creation?
  • by Oh, right... on Aug 15, 2011 at 09:24 AM
    Okay, people let's calm it down. Do you really think your God cares whether or not a filthy heathen worships him, I highly doubt it. How about if everyone on here whose head is exploding because an Atheist posted his or her views just takes a deep breath and stops thinking about them. And anyways isn't half the things posted on here by Christians a sin, I could have sworn that "Pride" was a sin, even more so I thought that worshipping anyone else including His son was a sin. I'm so glad my religion doesn't have pointless rules like that; all I have to do is pay tribute to Her once a month and She's happy.
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      by hahahhaha..actually on Aug 15, 2011 at 07:24 PM in reply to Oh, right...
      yeah, actually God does care..but this whole story is hilarious to head is almost exploding, but not because people are atheists, sorry not all people who believe in God are this mental! its because, i thought atheists were AGAINST religion, yet they seem to now be practicing AS a religion. its puzzling. will there now be a 'church' coming out? and apparently being condescending and prideful is NOT a sin in your religion:)
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        by Oh, right... on Aug 16, 2011 at 04:47 AM in reply to hahahhaha..actually
        I personally have never heard or seen any Atheist act as if it was a religion, but if it helps you sleep at night that's fine by me. And your right, it isn't a sin for me, only for those that follow the Bible and worship God, which I follow nether, I'm a polytheist although I do mainly worship only one deity.
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          by hahahaha on Aug 16, 2011 at 03:00 PM in reply to Oh, right...
          um, so
  • by ArmyMom on Aug 15, 2011 at 08:12 AM
    I want a NAME. WHO in the ARMY approved this? I doubt all of the Army approves of this or was even asked.
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      by Truth on Aug 15, 2011 at 09:42 AM in reply to ArmyMom
      Here's your answer: bragg atheist authorized
  • by onevoice Location: snow hill on Aug 15, 2011 at 07:29 AM
    To Mark; ALL people are sinners, the difference between Christians and Atheists..Christians (who have) accepted Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior are forgiven and will live eternally in Heaven with HIM!!
  • by justwondering Location: Winterville on Aug 15, 2011 at 07:22 AM
    Hmmm, what kind of songs/music do atheists play at a concert??
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      by Duh on Aug 15, 2011 at 08:14 AM in reply to justwondering
      NonHIMnall's I suppose.

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