When To Use Deadly Force

When Cary police shot and killed a man who robbed a bank, claiming to be armed but later discovered without a gun, it highlighted the split-second decisions police have to make.

Jacksonville SWAT team commander Major Patrick Traitor, while not commenting specifically on the Cary incident, says trying to relieve a hostage situation requires a lot of training and the information provided is what they go by. "We have to operate on the information that we have available to us at the moment and that's all that we can do. We certainly go through great lengths to identify whether a suspect is armed or what their potential, but at the end of the day we have to protect ourselves and we also have to protect the citizens."

The teenager shot and killed in the Cary bank robber told hostage takers and negotiators that he had a gun. Based on that information, Cary Police Chief Pat Bazemore says officers acted appropriately.

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  • by Anonymous on Feb 15, 2011 at 07:07 PM
    Outraged, would you have been more outraged if he actually had a gun and killed and innocent person?
  • by Darren Location: Kill Devil Hills on Feb 15, 2011 at 11:57 AM
    Well I'm glad that there will be no trial, but I hate to see it come at the expense of the lives of someone's family member.
  • by anon Location: wallace on Feb 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM
    To Mike: wake up and smell the real world man. next time we will just let the person robbing the bank take the money and any hostages he wants to and leave and then maybe the police can go and talk with him later about what he should and shouldn't do at a bank or any other place of business. then u can complainthat the cops did not do anything because they did not want to get second guessed by someone who is not even awake in the real world. deadly force is okay to use if you feel your life or the life of another is in jeopardy.also deadly force can be used if the person is trying to escape and if you let that person escape that he or she will harm someone else if u did not stop them. like , lets say, someone holding a hostage and says he has a gun to her head! duh!
  • by Chris on Feb 15, 2011 at 08:56 AM
    Job well done.
  • by JT Location: enc on Feb 15, 2011 at 07:19 AM
    It has been reported that the kid had communicated to the police that he had a gun and WAS READY TO KILL...that is enough right there...not to mention he came out of the bank with a hostage, made the hostage kneel, and put the object (that he had told the cops was a gun) to the hostages head...come on people...you cant wait till someone is dead to react...
  • by GoodJob Location: Eastern on Feb 15, 2011 at 06:22 AM
    To Mike,to the officers the suspect was a clear and apparent threat to the hostages. They saw what they thought was a gun as well as hearing he had a gun. Also a few more mins? They waited over three hrs. A clear cut and dry case of deadly force. To outraged, they can sue all they want but this was a very good job done by the PD and every court will see that. He did need help but doing what he did was not the answer. Cary PD did the right thing and im glad he hostages were safe and that nothing happened to the officers!
  • by eric here on Feb 15, 2011 at 05:46 AM
    If he was so disturbed and not acting normal y didn’t the family do anything? if u rob a bank, take hostages, proclaim u have a gun and then point said object at someone's head what do u think cops r going to do? Throw candy at u and say please no, stop. The only reason this country is going down is because of the word "sue". If anyone doing their job doesn’t make everyone happy they get sued. cops killed this guy, cops were to slow, dr couldn’t save her, restaurant coffee is too hot, SUE SUE SUE SUE. Let’s say they sue the city for wrongful death and the next time something like this happens the cops wait until they can c a gun, so they don’t get sued, and some innocent person gets killed. Mistakes happen all the time we r only human, but to condemn someone for doing the best they could with the knowledge they had is just wrong any way u look at it. The cops did what they were trained to do to save lives. Nothing should come of this other then paper work for discharge of a fire arm.
  • by anon Location: downsouth on Feb 15, 2011 at 05:16 AM
    being an officer for 25 years, i remember what i learned in common sense part of BLET. what we do in a split second, not knowing what the culprit will do or if they are armed for sure or not, people will take what the officer did in a split second and tear it apart in a court of law or news blogs when they were not there and then complain if they did not do anything. arm chair quarterbacks always win the ball game in their mind but no one else is playing the game with them.one thing we were also taught, you never give in to demands of a hostage taker when he is trying to leave the scene. you never let them leave. this is a clear case of suicide by cop. this will never go to trial or ever be settled to satisfy the family because the officers did the right thing that day.
  • by FedUp! Location: Pitt on Feb 15, 2011 at 05:12 AM
    First, let me say that I am sorry for the this family's loss and pray that they are comforted in their time of need. Second, I pray for the LEO's involved, they were just doing their DUTY!!! They are sworn to protect the citizens they serve. This man told the negotiators and the hostages he was armed. Then he walked out of the bank holding an object to a hostages head. The LEO's job was to protect that hostage from endangerment and to protect themselves. I'm sure that Rev. Jackson, Rev. Sharpton, and Rev Barber will try to stir the pot and make try playing their "Race Card" but I believe the officers were doing their job and for that should be applauded. Its not a racial issue, its about LEO's doing their job they are sworn to do!!!
  • by Good Job on Feb 15, 2011 at 05:08 AM
    Good Job Cary Police Dept. If it had been the other way around and he DID have a gun and he WASNT taken down then ppl would be on here crying about how the police were to slow to respond. Not to mention, who is to say that the suspect wouldnt have high-jacked a car and led a high-sped pursuit that ultimaltely wouldve resulted in loss of life anyway. I promise if my family member robs a bank, takes hostages, and pretends to point a gun at someone's head then i will NOT hold u responsible!! Good job CPD!!!!!!!!!!!
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