Proposed Bill Would Limit Fishing For 3 Types Of Fish In N.C.

Recreational and commercial fishermen are at odds over house bill 353, which calls for designating red drum, spotted sea trout and striped bass as coastal game fish.

Supporters of the bill say the aim is to preserve and protect marine resources. If the bill passes, the fish could only be caught by hook and line and sale of the species would be prohibited, taking commercial fishermen out of the picture and those fish off the market.

Onslow County commissioners signed a resolution opposing the bill and so far more than 400 people have signed a petition against it.

The North Carolina Coastal Conservation Association said this is not about taking these fish from consumers, but rather the best way to use them economically for North Carolina going forward.

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  • by The Dude on Jun 13, 2011 at 09:38 AM
    If we ban commercial fishing of three prized sport fish the commercial fisherman suffer moderately (afterall, they can still fish), but the rest of the state gains tourist dollars that are going to SC right now. Hmmm. What to do? If only the economy was bad this would be so clear . . .
  • by Gforce Location: coast on May 17, 2011 at 10:07 PM
    More dumb laws to try to milk money from poor folks. When are they gonna realize there is no more money to pay you? Raliegh and there reactionary laws have run away industry and ruined NC's once formidable economy. They have already shut down driving on the beach because of turtles. How much money are the turtles gonna spend on vacation? Zero. North Carolina, the come on vacation, leave on probation state.
  • by COMMERICAL FISHERMAN NC Location: BATH on Apr 12, 2011 at 05:38 PM
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      by Oriental Guy on Apr 14, 2011 at 05:10 AM in reply to COMMERICAL FISHERMAN NC
      You aren't going to suppy anything if something isn't done to protect the resources. Trawling has killed far too many small fish and crabs. Growing up, and I'm 55, my grandfather and 3 of this brothers commercial fished the Neuse and Pamlico Rivers for many years. During that time you could go out and catch a bunch of crabs, flounder, trout, croakers and spot but today, the resource for each is not there. There used to be a very large oyster bed out from our house 1/2 across the river. You could catch a bunch of fish over that beds. Today those beds are gone. Wiped out. Destroyed by trawlers. You talk about stocking a pond, why not restocking the rivers so the croaker and spots return? Oyster beds begin to grow again in our rivers. Where are they? Killed in the nets of these small and super trawlers. Small croaker and spots anlong with baby crabs wash up on the beach in front of our house for several days after the trawling season opens. No way the Rec fisherman do this type of damage on their worst of days. Something has to be done or you won't be supplying anyone anything.
  • by Anonymous on Apr 11, 2011 at 02:52 PM
    Eell that is NOT good news!!!! Thanks for the info. I'll be googling that. But I just can't see myself eating anything that came out of the Tar River nowadays (do they even say that anymore, lol)
  • by comm guy Location: holden beach on Apr 10, 2011 at 06:12 AM
    There is a fatal flaw in the gamefish bill that is ignored by almost everyone I have spoken to about it. When recreational fishermen take over the resource, the only data on catch history will be that which is made up from thin air. Random telephone surveys that assume much and know little. The only REAL hard data on catch history of ANY fish species in NC comes from commercial trip tickets. Without which we would be completely in the dark about which fish are suffering and which are not. By continuing to argue and fight, you serve the purpose of NOAA and EDF which is to polarize the fishing community. Once we are fighting each other, they will "SAVE" us from ourselves by taking all of our rights to fish. EDF Jane, watches this and laughs knowing that her plan is working. Please dont fall into this trap as our lives and livelihoods hang in the balance. This gamefish bill is just a ploy to get you doing exactly what you are doing. If recs would try and ignore their instincts to take it all for themselves and do the WISE thing, they would reject this bill and laugh in the face of those who try and push it on us. Only together will we beat this menace that threatens us. Jane is your enemy, not the commercial fisherman. BTW, the CCA is another of these groups that is aligned with Jane and her catch shares scheme. They will deny it but I can post things to the contrary where they were very much on board with catch shares for recs and comms.
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      by BuddyRoe on Apr 10, 2011 at 06:33 AM in reply to comm guy
      jr, if management in this instance is taken over by the legislature, once that is done everyone desiring access to that data will be locked out of the management system just as it has happened in Florida and Texas. Everything will turn to management by a dictatorial regime with little to no access to management or statistical information.
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        by shimano on Apr 12, 2011 at 09:38 PM in reply to BuddyRoe
        hey buddyroe, your not by chance an ex prison guard are you ?
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          by BuddyRoe on Apr 13, 2011 at 08:44 PM in reply to shimano
          No, only stains I've picked up so far have come from Frank drewling on my Nike's.
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      by Anonymous on Apr 10, 2011 at 11:23 AM in reply to comm guy
      I do not know. According to some very stout arguments below the recreational fishermen are catching and killing the majority of the fish. If the only "real" data comes from commercial trip tickets, why are we bashing the recreational guys using data you claim would be useless in the future? If the data for recreational catch is so good now (as repeated referenced), why would it not be good in the future?
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        by BuddyRoe on Apr 10, 2011 at 04:18 PM in reply to
        I would suggest without the hard data commercials provide through daily trip tickets, there would be no way to have a reliable analysis of what the stocks actually are. Consider that commercial data contains, day, time, water body, gear, amount of gear, pounds, number of fish and other information you would no longer have access too.
  • by carolinagilr05 Location: Edge County on Apr 9, 2011 at 05:27 PM
    I'm not big on eating fish. I like to fish but I'm scared of eating fish out these waters today. I do like grilled tuna but that's about it. Sad I can't feel comfortable eating our natural food source.
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      by Anonymous on Apr 10, 2011 at 05:35 AM in reply to carolinagilr05
      I would be worried about that tuna you like to eat because it could have high amounts of mercury in it.
  • by cary Location: eure on Apr 9, 2011 at 04:28 PM
    frank, you like to bicker about something of not much interest to you it sounds like. to much idle time? how many days are you on the water and whats the worry, maybe having hard luck cathcing a fish and wanting to blame soneone else?
  • by BuddyRoe on Apr 9, 2011 at 01:15 PM
    by Anonymous on Apr 9, 2011 at 09:23 AM "The dead fish that you know of how do they swim away if they are dead ?" Just like the four dead dear behind my house, they only passed out and played possum till the buzzards ate them. And they call themselves "sportsman" and mark it "for recreation use only".
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      by Anonymous on Apr 10, 2011 at 05:52 AM in reply to BuddyRoe
      I do not care about the dead deer you left behind your house,I want you to tell me how do you know about these dead discarded fish that go to the bottom.It might takes weeks or days?Do you follow rec. fisherman around and then after they release them you put on your scuba gear and follow them until they die?You still did not answer my question,how do dead fish swim away?
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        by Anonymous on Apr 10, 2011 at 06:58 AM in reply to
        There are some signs that you are able to read at some level, although there may remain some issues with comprehension. So why don't you try reading for yourself. "Catch and release mortality studies in this fishery have found that J-hooks result in significantly greater incidence of deep hooking and as a result, have release mortality rates that are higher than for fish captured using circle hooks." "The improper handling of the fish before they are released and the deep hooking of adult red drum can lead to release mortality." In simple easy terms, if the fish has his gut ripped out he may swim away, but rest assured it will die.
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          by Igor on Apr 10, 2011 at 11:14 AM in reply to
          I do not know what this information has to do with the price of rice in China. For someone that seems so smart it would appear you could figure out if none of the J hooks are being used the above mentioned reference is useless. I only fish with a circle hook with a crimped barb for catch and release drum fishing. The best I can understand it is required in those areas. I can not speak for the entire coast.
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          by BuddyRoe on Apr 10, 2011 at 03:09 PM in reply to
          Problem is Joe tow-row dit-dot dipper don't use that barbless hook and there is one heck of lot more of them than there is of you, pluse there is still a mortality rate assigned to your barbless hook, circle hook, or another type of hook you choose. 10% overall if you don't like it talk to Lee.
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        by Anonymous on Apr 10, 2011 at 07:31 AM in reply to
        Just like every other wanna-be-sportsman, they don't care about anything and wasting resources don't fit in their wallet.
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      by Anonymous on Apr 10, 2011 at 06:56 AM in reply to BuddyRoe
      You talking about the deer or the buzzards. I've seen some pretty sporting buzzards. Too bad you can not catch deer in a gill net. There would be lot less to get hit by cars.
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        by BuddyRoe on Apr 10, 2011 at 09:43 AM in reply to
        Why don't you argue with Frank, he's good at pointless rhetoric.
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        by Anonymous on Apr 11, 2011 at 03:57 AM in reply to
        There are a lot of sportsman that use a grill net to get their dear.
  • by Frank on Apr 9, 2011 at 10:22 AM
    Posted below on April 8th by Buddyroe: Quote: "What makes you think dead fish float? The majority of dead fish I know of swim away when released only to die days or weeks later from injury that were inflicted or infection, the result of catch and release activities". OK fans, stay tuned and maybe Budyroe will tell us the one about Mother Goose!
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      by BuddyRoe on Apr 9, 2011 at 12:41 PM in reply to Frank
      No problem, she is the one that did a whole lot of quacking about a whole lot of nothing, just exactly like Frank and CCA.
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        by Frank on Apr 12, 2011 at 09:23 AM in reply to BuddyRoe
        Buddyroe, you say dead fish don't float,dead fish you know of swim away when released and now you say geese quack. For your information: Dead fish do float! Dead fish don't swim! And geese honk! Aren't you tired of providing misleading information? Is that all you know how to do? And you are talking about someone else quacking about a whole lot of nothing! LOL Man, you need to lay off that crack, they say that stuff is not good for you.
  • by Col. Colt Location: Enc on Apr 9, 2011 at 09:21 AM
    BuddyRoe, there was no point, I just you a question, have a nice day and be safe on the water.
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      by BuddyRoe on Apr 9, 2011 at 01:58 PM in reply to Col. Colt
      Colonel, you have a nice day too, and I hope you enjoy you next outing as much as I do earning a living.

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