Beach Access Committee: No Consensus

They say they'll keep working, but the committee trying to develop a long-term beach management plan for Cape Hatteras National Seashore says they have not agreed on one yet.

The National Park Service adopted strict rules under a settlement with environmentalists to protect endangered birds and sea turtles while
they nest on Cape Hatteras. Vehicles and pedestrians are now barred from some fishing spots along cape hatteras national seashore during spring and summer months.

A group of 29 people has been working to find some common ground for a beach access plan, but said Thursday, that has not happened yet.

"We cannot give up. Our residents, visitors and business community all depend on open and accessible beaches," said Warren Judge, Chairman of the Dare County Board of Commissioners and a member of the negotiating committee.

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  • by Tim Location: Vanceboro on Mar 2, 2009 at 08:03 AM
    I suppose we should all be burning wood in our teepees too since that is the way the native americans did it too? Bigfruitbiskit you contradict your self and insult me. I do drive on the beach and I DO NOT destroy. And if fact do LESS damage than you. Why? I DO NOT resist the urge to pick junk others leave behind, I do pick it up. I ALWAYs take a 30 gallon bag on the beach with me because I know I am going to have to take stuff off that the PEDESTRIANS leave. I will agree that there are those that simply do not respect the beach but those of us who truly appreciate it are a BENEFIT to that environment. As a scout you should have also learned to be cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverant. Many of which you contradict by insulting me and leaving items you see that you KNOW you should pick up, whether your wife agrees or not. She may be the one who doesn't respect the beach? We can just agree to disagree. But I will remind you....The natives didn't have 4x4's or they would
  • by bigfruitbasket Location: NC on Feb 27, 2009 at 04:39 PM
    First off, I'm no hippie. I'm more of an educated Southerner. I have never, nor will I ever, drive a vehicle on a beach. That environment can't handle it--it's too fragile. Second, the trash left behind disgusts me-cig butts, cans, empty plastic bottles, plastic bags, dog poop--it's all there on a beach. And that's on beaches with no vehicular traffic. Remember, I was a Scout. I learned to RESPECT the environment. And no, I'm not a whacko environmentalist either. If it was good enough for the Native American tribes who inhabited the area and respected the land & sea--with no 4 wheel drive monstrosities--then, it's good enough for me. Driving a behemoth truck onto the sand isn't respecting the beach. That is RUINING the beach. I can cart my goods without four wheel drive truck. I carry it in, I carry it out. I have to resist picking up all the trash I find on beaches all the time--my wife gets after me all the time.
  • by Tim Location: Vanceboro on Feb 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
    Sam, I humbly concur. That is why I said not all virginians there is just a higher number of va plates than ones from elsewhere. MASS, NY, and NJ for the most part all destroy when they drive on the beach. #1 they haven't a clue as to how to drive in sand nor what is considered obnoxios behavior. #2 they could care less if they tear it up anyway its not theirs but is their to abuse if the choose. I have asked people from these places if they were going to pick up behind themselves and got cussed at like a sailer. "Thats the rangahs jab". No, its your job. They are obnoxious, and that's my wife's word and she is from Mass.
  • by Sam Location: Williamston on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM
    Kepp tellin em Daisy. Apparently bigfruitbasket must be a little bit of a hippie. Tim, I would'nt put that much blame on all of Virginia people. It's more like people from states like Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Massachutses, Ohio, PA, just to name a few. As far as Virginia, only up around DC they start acting that way. Places like Emporia, Franklin, and Sussex have residents that remind me a lot of people from around back home. I would not consider them northerners neccesarily. We NC's are the ones who typically keep the beaches clean. It is god's gift to people like us, and I for onw can't stand to see a bunch of litter and trash on the sand. It's just not attractive.
  • by Daisy Location: Bath on Feb 27, 2009 at 07:12 AM
    Bigfruitbasket-Having vehicles on the beach does not ruin the beach. It's the irresponsible people that don't respect the beach are the ones that ruin the beach. How many times have you had to drag all your things 100 yards to get to the water when at Hatteras all you have to do is let the air out of your tires and hit the 4 wheel drive and go where ever you want. Don't kick it till you try it.
  • by Tim Location: Vanceboro on Feb 27, 2009 at 06:26 AM
    I agree about the trash, as I have stated in other posts, I usually take much more off than I take on. Having vehicles on the beach does not ruin it. It is actually an invaluable tool. The problem is who the people are in the vehicle. I once again point out that the regualars are NOT the ones that cause the problems. There needs to be some sort of learning process for visitors as they are generally the ones that cause the problems. I am tough on the visitors from virginia because they are the ones I see personally doing the most damage. They take their beer cans out there and their food and they just leave everything. Now all of them don't do it but quite a few do. I would not be against an entry permit as in order to get the permit you would have to agree to follow the rules of the land. It would have to involve a continuing ed course if you will. Smarter people will be on the beach and those unwilling will not be on it all which will greatly reduce the problems.
  • by bigfruitbasket Location: NC on Feb 27, 2009 at 06:13 AM
    Having vehicles on the beach RUINS the beach. Not to mention all the trash associated with folks who bring tons of beach associated junk with them and leave tons of trash behind. Folks assume the world is their trash can. Whatever happened to leaving an area better than you found it? I learned that in Scouts--still works for me today. Conservation is key to keeping the beaches and oceans clean. That means cleaning up your mess. How hard is this concept?
  • by Tim Location: Vanceboro on Feb 27, 2009 at 05:32 AM
    Someone needs to look into how to police the access of, lets call them, one-timers. They are typically the ones who either don't know the rules or refuse to follow them. Those of us who frequent the beaches with vehicles and love to do so, honor and respect that privelage. Many of us do policing while we are there and do our best to protect that environment. The environment is what we go there for, it would be idiotic to damage it. Those of us who go there often are aware of what goes on in that environment and respect it. I know that area lives and dies by the tourist but many times it is that tourist who makes the mistake with a vehicle while on the beach. Sometimes they are not aware of how fragile it can be and sometimes they are not aware of the perils. But, and I pick on our neighbors to the north, its pure simple disrespect. Most hell-raisers/drunks, etc on the beach are sporting virginia tags. Just an observation. The guy that started this whole deal was from VA!

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