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Mother Protests Kids Singing Song With The Word "Christmas"
Topic Author: Dave Jordan
Posted: 10:31 PM Dec 9, 2008
Replies Posted: 63 comments
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It's something school kids do just about everywhere this time of the year...hold a Christmas concert.  But one mother is protesting.

The unidentified mother didn't want kids at Murrayville School in New Hanover County to sing "Rudolph" because of concern the words "Christmas" and "Santa" hold religious meaning.

The Principal at the school decided to pull the song from the school's holiday concert.

New Hanover County school administration and lawyers later determined the song was secular, that Santa and his reindeer are non-religious figures.  So "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" was  put back in the holiday show.

The mother requested a Hanukkah song be added to the holiday show, but that was denied. Her daughter will not participate in the concert.

Such controversy is a big difference from the elementary school concerts I participated in...I remember singing "Oh Come All Ye Faithful," with the Latin verse?

My the times have changed.

 

 

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  • by Chayim Location: NJ on Dec 14, 2010 at 10:13 PM
    I found out today that my son was FORCED to sing Christmas songs at his school. Sitting out the songs was not an option. I'm Jewish, and my beliefs prohibit singing those songs. I'm looking for an attorney. Christmas songs are sung in honor of Christmas (you don't sing them on July 4th, do you?). And Christmas is a Christian holiday. The argument should end there. No non-Christian kid should be forced to sing Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, or Santa Clause is Coming to Town, or any other song even remotely related to a Christian holiday. By the same token, no non-Jewish kid should be forced to sing Chanukah songs.
  • by Anthony Location: CA on Dec 2, 2009 at 04:09 PM
    Posted by: Jeremy Boxerbaum Location: New York, NY Would you like your child to be forced to say a Jewish prayer or read a portion of the Koran THE OPERATIONAL WORD IS FORCED AND NO ONE IS FORCED, I don't believe in the 72 virgins concept but have TOLARENCE toward Asgar my Moslem co-worker
  • by Michael Location: Oregon on Dec 2, 2009 at 03:58 PM
    Typical Jewish reaction, So where is the TOLERANCE, No wonder Israel has be at war with there neighbors for 31 years. I think all Christians should remove there children from Secular run schools for the month of December, remember no children no federal funds to run the school.
  • by tina on Nov 9, 2009 at 10:40 PM
    Let's all get together and do my favorite...Mohammad Carols! All ye christians can have your children subjected to this while they "learn" in school. Maybe they will grow up to be Muslims! The fact is that there are MANY cultures here in America and our school children PAY DEARLY for whatever type carol is being taught because from Nov. and Dec. they are just singing and NOT LEARNING in the schools. Caroling should be an AFTER SCHOOL OPTIONAL THING!!! Schools should be NEUTRAL in Religious promotion completely. That performance COST you TWO MONTHS of your childs' education!! They know more about Santa than Science! Our nation is scientifically illerate!
  • by God Location: heaven, NC on Jan 8, 2009 at 02:53 PM
    Dear God, Why won't you protect us from the violence in our schools? -concerned student Dear concerned student, I'm not allowed in schools. -God
  • by Holley Location: Wiliamston, NC on Jan 6, 2009 at 11:45 AM
    My daughter participted in a Chritmas program at her primary school and there were several songs about JESUS. I thought that was so wonderful. We are a Christian based country and we do have a freedom of religion here. I do agree if the mother has a problem with her child participating in Chritian based programs, then obviously she has the right to keep the child away. My problem is, we should not be made to change the way we celebrate Christmas in America. Don't force your beliefs on us. It's wrong!! I do hope that everyone had a very Merry Christmas. May God Bless You!!
  • by Jenn on Jan 4, 2009 at 03:46 PM
    Mother of three, preach on sister. You said it all. Great job!
  • by JT Location: eastern nc on Jan 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM
    Here is the way I see it. Christmas is no longer the time of year that we celebrate the birth of Jesus. Most kids now days see Christmas as the time of year they get presents and lots of 'em. Every year the stores start placing things out earlier and earlier. This year in late July and early August, there were decorations out for sale already! I honestly think that we need to get back to the old ways of doing things. Lots of love, family, friends and Christmas carols for the holidays. Let the kids sing Christmas carols so they can enjoy their childhood.
  • by JEAN Location: NC on Dec 29, 2008 at 10:36 AM
    IT'S A SHAME THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER EVERYTHING .THEY ALREADY TOOK PRAYER OUT OF THE SCHOOLS AND NOW YOU WANT TO PROTECT A "SONG" ! WHAT IS COMING TO THIS WORLD? WHOEVER YOU ARE I ONLY PRAY THAT YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR WAY OF THINKING FOR THIS IS A TIME FOR LOVE ,JOY & PEACE. LET'S START WITH LETTING THE CHILDREN ENJOY THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!!!
  • by VBush Location: MHCY on Dec 28, 2008 at 08:17 PM
    Mother of Three; Well said, you make excellent points, however.....the fruit cakes are taking over. They are not the majority but they do make the most noise. It is 'our fault' for allowing it to happen. The vast majority in the media are the fruit cakes that you refer to. That is why they get so much of a voice. If it weren't the absolute truth most of this junk would never see the light of day.
  • by Mother of three Location: V-town on Dec 28, 2008 at 12:24 AM
    First, God created this world so if you do not like it, you have all rights to leave it. Next, I did not learn Rudolph in church, but I did learn it in school and if you do not want your child raised by the American culture then please exit America. Finally, if you do not like what they are being taught in school then home school them, but this is America and we are not going to change to suit the fruitcakes. If more kids were taught by the Bible then this world would not be in the mess it is in today. God bless everyone and I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas.
  • by Ed Location: Greenville NC on Dec 27, 2008 at 10:40 PM
    as a Christian I have rights..I too pay taxes
  • by sa Location: nc on Dec 27, 2008 at 02:49 PM
    I have been highly offended by the Mac computer commercial where the overweight boy is mad fun of by the skinny boy. I think they should take it off the air. Seems like everything offends someone. Does the majority surender to the minority?
  • by VBush Location: MHCY on Dec 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM
    In the world I grew up in, this woman would not even have been given any press coverage. She would have been dismissed for the lunatic that she is and the issue would never have seen the light of day. That is how a huge percentage of these issues should be handled to begin with. Putting these morons in print is what gives them traction to begin with....but you media people already know that.
  • by VBush Location: MHCY on Dec 26, 2008 at 07:37 PM
    So here is the big question Dave....does it bother you? Or are you part of the problem and support this whole 'secular progressive' load of bovine feces?
  • by Ank Location: Greenville on Dec 25, 2008 at 11:41 PM
    Ateists gathering places are in the courts, protesting unconstitutionally allowing religion in government facilities and schools. Separation of church and state. And History guy is right, this country was founded on the opposite of being a christian country with christian values And I'm not an atheist, im agnostic.
  • by mandy Location: maryland on Dec 25, 2008 at 10:23 AM
    Try to understand. For someone who was raised as a non christian, christmas represents a foreign religion which one does not want ones kids subjected to. That may sound strange to you, but think of it this way: would want your kids subjected to religious holidays of other groups, where the main idea of the holiday, namely Jesus, is anathema to you? Dont force your ideas on the rest of us. That would just be a modern form of the Crusades...
  • by J Location: Gville on Dec 24, 2008 at 02:31 PM
    MERRY CHRISTMAS
  • by Fran Location: New Bern on Dec 24, 2008 at 02:29 PM
    That lady had better get her life in order because this world was based on a loving and forgiving Saviour who came to this world to save us ALL from our sins. I would rather be a wrong Christian than a wrong sinner because I know where I am going when I leave this world.......
  • by History guy Location: nyc on Dec 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM
    There is no larger misconception in America than that the founders of this country were "Christian" and this is a "Christian" country. Sorry folks, that's just not the case. Read the words of our founders and you will see a group of Enlightenment thinkers who wanted to remove organized religion from the public sphere. I don't really care if kids sing Christmas songs, though I was the only Jewish kid at my school and they let us do a couple Hannukah songs as well, which was great because I got to tell all my school friends about my holiday and how we celebrate it, etc. BUT, please everyone stop talking about how this is a "Christian country founded on Christian virtues" because, ironically, that is EXACTLY what the founders explicitly said they were NOT doing. If anything we are a country founded on Deist beliefs. Happy Holidays you crazies!
  • by J Location: Gville on Dec 24, 2008 at 08:53 AM
    I sure hope that she doesnt let her children celebrate Halloween, Easter, Valentines Day, St Patricks Day, 4th of July, Thanksgiving....hmm what else can she take away from her children?
  • by Jennifer Location: Greenville on Dec 22, 2008 at 04:17 PM
    Unbelievable. Dont you DARE prevent other children from singing CHRISTMAS songs at CHRISTMAS. First of all, your child isnt REQUIRED to participate in singing. THey can close their mouth. But you cant take that away from the children who have a life and enjoy those songs. I grew up listening to those songs and I will continue to pass them on to future generations whether you like it or not. GOD bless AMERICA. If you dont like it..GET OUT. One less we will have to deal with. Plain and simple. Ank, take your kids to another school or another country. Or better yet, let them be KIDS. How ignorant of you to say that Christmas songs should only be sung in a church? SERIOUSLY? Sad person you are. AMEN Coach!
  • by Coach M Location: Rocky Mount on Dec 22, 2008 at 02:06 AM
    Ank: where is YOUR athiest gathering place? Obiwan: we see how religious you are. And, if I were to move to another country, I would expect to be caught up in whatever religion they practice. maybe people should do a little more research before moving to a country that observes Christian Holy days such as Christmas and Easter?????
  • by Ank Location: Greenville on Dec 21, 2008 at 09:17 PM
    You people need to realize that this is a school. There are probably a few children in this school who are not christians. They should not be subjected to christian beliefs in a place they are forced to go to. If christians want to sing christmas songs, let them all get together where it should be done...in church. If satanists want to sing satanist songs, let them do it in a satanic church. Religious bull should be kept out of schools.
  • by obiwan Location: cypress on Dec 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM
    Why was the mother unidentified? Bitch all you want but have the guts to say who you are.
  • by Me Location: Winterville on Dec 20, 2008 at 11:49 PM
    To Todd in Washington - You've obviously bumped your head. PLEASE see a doctor. Only people with head bumps would even come up with such bull.
  • by Music Teacher Location: Greenville on Dec 20, 2008 at 10:38 PM
    As a music teacher we are to teach music from all histories and cultures--but not necessarily all at the same time! There is no reason students cannot learn Christmass, Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa songs, however they do not have to be all at the same concert--there are other Jewish holidays besides the Festival of Lights you know! Program music takes months to learn and I'm sure this mother made her complaint too late for there to be program changes, music ordered, instruction, etc. It is sad that the principal did not stand behind the music teacher. Students with conflicting religious beliefs are always excused from any songs in my concerts in which they are not comfortable singing. One parents should not make the entire group suffer. I'm sure she didn't take into account that her students' peer group probably made fun of the student for having the Grinch who stole Christmas for a mother!
  • by Bud Location: NC on Dec 19, 2008 at 08:38 PM
    I am a Christian and I will worship my God according to the Bible. I am tolerant of other religions but tell my kids that they cannot sing a Christmas at Christmas. If we are going to allow 5% of the population to dictate to the other 95% what we can do and cannot do then we are not a democracy. I think it's time for the majority who are Christian to stand up for what we believe.
  • by wr Location: nc on Dec 19, 2008 at 07:13 PM
    I thought "Deck The Halls" was the gay Christnas song.
  • by Ashley Location: Washington on Dec 19, 2008 at 05:48 PM
    Get over out self lady..and merry CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!
  • by P. Richard Location: Craven Co., NC on Dec 19, 2008 at 04:36 PM
    GeeWizz - What next to protests about ? Does she "protest" the word ~ Christmas ~ as in a Merry Christmas greeting ?? I for one will NOT use 'Happy Holidays" It is Xmas time and I Wish 1 & all A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS.... Remember - It takes > all kinds to make the world < turn.... some fruit cakes and/or nut cakes. The heck withit = Nuff said
  • by Bob Location: Las Vegas on Dec 19, 2008 at 07:26 AM
    Truly pathetic. Can't people just shut up and have some fun
  • by Todd Location: Washington DC on Dec 18, 2008 at 07:02 PM
    I for one agree that Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer is not proper for kids to sing but not because of "Christmas" but because the man who wrote it in the 1940s was gay and he made Rudolph a gay as a signal to all the other gays. Listen to the song carefully and you'll see what I'm talking about. Kids shouldn't have to sing about gays especially not during Christmas!
  • by Kay Robinson Location: Havelock NC on Dec 18, 2008 at 03:52 PM
    Remind this lady the bible was the first book used in schools.The first text book was the bible.
  • by stephen Location: Little Rock on Dec 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM
    "My the times have changed"? Sounds like they are exactly the same.
  • by RU KiddingMe Location: Winterville on Dec 17, 2008 at 10:08 PM
    To Jeremy from NY- we do have freedom of religion, so why is it that it only comes up when people think that we should learn about other religions or be involved in other religions other than christianity? Our country was based on christian beliefs. I wouldn't mind my daughter learning about other cultures and religions, as long as her culture and religion was respected and taught equally. This country has a serious problem with God, we need to be careful, as christians, how much we let these people push God out of our lives. As for the mother in this article, how is it that she wanted Rudolph taken out, which is not religious at all (look up the story of Santa Claus) and wanted a Hanukkah song added. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Freedom of religion, lately, is only a freedom when it involves other religions besides christianity.
  • by although Location: California on Dec 17, 2008 at 05:43 PM
    Funny: I know a lot of devout Christians that reject "Santa Claus" and don't want their kids singing about Rudolph -- because it's NOT a religious song and they don't want their kids singing anything non-religious about a religious holiday. (They don't do the "Easter bunny" thing or participate in the pagan-derived Halloween traditions, either.)
  • by Jeremy Boxerbaum Location: New York, NY on Dec 16, 2008 at 07:57 PM
    Would you like your child to be forced to say a Jewish prayer or read a portion of the Koran? There is nothing wrong with this mother. Congratulations to her for standing up for herself. Some of y'all need to step outside yourselves and try to see the world through other people's eyes. There's nothing wrong with learning about other cultures and religions. But last I checked, we do have freedom of religion in this country. And no one has the right to compel another person to do something that violates his or her religious freedom. That includes the freedom to choose not to sing songs about Santa. P.S. -- Santa, last I checked, means saint. How is that not religious?
  • by Johnny Location: Heavan on Dec 16, 2008 at 04:47 PM
    The mother is a nutjob! Plain and simple. Using her kid to get her 15-minutes of fame. Take the child away from her as she is unfit!
  • by Shirley Location: Penna on Dec 15, 2008 at 07:33 PM
    This is very sad what is happening all across the U.S.A. not just in N.C. and the children are the ones suffering for the protests of a few people--what has happened to our BACKBONE we need to stand up for what we believe and want for our children and not cave in to a few who want their own way but it hurts our children in the end---Merry Christmas!!!
  • by God's Child Location: Plymouth on Dec 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM
    What happened to freedom of speech how can people rejoice in our God and later be told we can;t because it offends someone well if if offend you DONT listen or dont show up we as Americans have the right to rejoice in our Lord Jesus Christ and if you dont' believe well DONT rejoice but dont try and change the world becaues of your beliefs! You have your and are allowed to demostrate your feelings now sit down and shut up while christians pray for your souls!! People we have sat quietly far to long if we reamin tight lipped we will find ourselves in hell on earth we have the right to belief what we want and celebrate waht we want agian this is AMERICA land of the free if you dont want your God to be heard in your schools cover your ears why should be close out our God while you throw your beliefs on us??!! If you dont believe cover your eyes and ears but most of all shut your mouth we as a nation are tired of hearing the whining!! Praise God and MERRY CHRISTMS!! Love to ALL
  • by Bella Location: nyc on Dec 14, 2008 at 02:08 PM
    This woman needs to get a freaking life!!! Seriously what a psycho, she should be put in a mental institution. i swear this whole nondemoninational crap is seriously getting out of control! I think it's sad that so many parents are ruining such a fun holiday for kids everywhere.
  • by Rob Location: NC on Dec 12, 2008 at 10:35 PM
    As an atheist, I could care less about religion in general. Once again, however, this is political correctness gone berserk. If a mom is going to protest a song depicting a religious holiday commemorating the birth of a person(note, I said person) that may or may not have existed, than what is next? Should the name of devil's food cake be changed? I'm sure that would make the bible thumpers happy.
  • by "T" Location: Washington on Dec 12, 2008 at 08:16 PM
    It is time that the majority takes back our country. I am so tried of one or two people not liking what is going when the majority are okay with it. It is time that our majority speak up for what we beleive in and what we want instead of one or two making our life miserable. If we don't do it we will be flushing our way of life down the drain. Lets get together and stand up for what we want.
  • by Rusty Location: Washington on Dec 12, 2008 at 03:29 PM
    Dave, you may know me as Obama Snake Oil Co as I am a frequent poster on the witn site. We have seen many stories on this over the past years and very saddened by how some of the few, want to dominate what is "America". We were founded on separation of church and state. We hear the "new interpretation" of this meaning no reference to god instead of a particular religion. Christmas is the celebration of birth of Christ. Chrismas has always been a gleam in the eye of a child at Christmas. You have seen it and experienced it as a child. A simple pop gun, a toy tractor, this was the intent. When parents take this away from their children something is very lost in the family. It is the selfishness of the parent to believe there is no god and now they take it out on their children. Now that is the reality of the situation. So, if one wonders why we have problems in our homes, communities, schools and cities, it is because of the few who would take it away.
  • by Educator on Dec 12, 2008 at 02:43 PM
    Just look at the test scores and the conditions in the schools. This is after taking religion out of the schools. WE NEED IT BACK IN THE SCHOOLS.
  • by Rose Wright Location: Greenville on Dec 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM
    It is a sad time when the wishes of a few over rides the wishes of the majority.
  • by Chastity Location: Greenville on Dec 12, 2008 at 09:24 AM
    My god lady!!! If your such a greench take it back to your world! This is our holiday and if you don't like it, then i suggest you keep your child home. Although i feel sorry for your child because you are sheltering her from something that is wonderful!! Anyway, stop trying to change us, we are and believe what we want here (free country) get over it!!!! Have a Merry Christmas everyone. MAY GOD BLESS THIS CRAZY MOTHER...........
  • by T Location: Washington on Dec 12, 2008 at 09:12 AM
    If I make no mistake Christ is the reason we celebrate Christmas. Does she have a problem with Christ? Does she know him as her Savior? Does she just want attention? A Christmas concert is always done by children and is enjoyed by the attendees. If she is that concerned then don't let her child sing. She will regret it though. Her child will miss out and the mother will miss a blessing. If she is bold enough to voice her concerns then she is bold enough to tell us who she is.
  • by jk on Dec 11, 2008 at 06:04 PM
    If I'm not mistaken, this country was founded with religion in mind... What would the signers of the Declaration of Independence think about this 'great new country?' People came here for freedom of religion, wanting to be free to be a Christian. Now Christians are persecuted in this country. Talk about a sad day.
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